Submitted 1 year ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to workreform@lemmy.world
https://apnews.com/article/iceland-women-strike-equal-pay-970669466116a2b1a5673a8737089d46
Iceland’s prime minister and women across the island nation are on strike to push for an end to unequal pay and gender-based violence.
Unequal pay sure, but how the hell is a strike supposed to stop violence against women? That’s not an economic concept that can be impacted by withholding labor. It’s a fine goal I just don’t see how a strike helps it get accomplished.
It brings attention to the issue. Not everything is intended to have a direct impact on problems.
I really don’t feel like attention/awareness is the problem. People are very aware of various problems plaquing the world… I personally don’t need more awareness, what I want to see is actionable items.
If even PM herself can’t do shit, then nobody will do shit.
I think you might need read A Modest Proposal.
The thing is, giving women the ability to extricate themselves from bad relationships where they explicitly have to rely on the income of someone else to take care of themselves and their offspring is a big reason why violence against women persists.
When we’re talking “violence against women” we don’t mean women randomly attacked in the street, more often than not, we mean women attacked by their partners, who are mostly men.
The impact of being able to financially extricate yourself from a violent partner is huge and is driven by economics. It’s literally why Lenin considered women an equal part of the Communist struggle. It’s why Russia under the USSR initially legalized abortion in 1920. This would unfortunately change when Stalin came to power, but at the outset, it was understood that women having economic independence was a huge part of allowing them to become equals to men in society, and allowing them to escape abusive men.
While A Modest Proposal shouldn’t be taken with any seriousness, it’s jokey demeanor makes very good points about the same ideas. There are all kinds of things you can do economically to reduce violence towards women.
I appreciate the thoughtful response. That’s the way to disagree with someone without being a dick about it. Good comment.
Imagine you’re a wealthy CEO who funds politicians. Obviously you’re evil and the only thing you care about is money.
Suddenly you start making less money because people are upset about violence against women. The path to you making more money again is for the government to address this issue. So you use your considerable influence to make it happen.
Wealthy people are simple minded and easy to manipulate. Just make it more profitable to do what’s right and they will.
Although I like the solidarity. Isn’t she the one who can enact policies to combat pay disparity?
I’d imagine not unilaterally; she’d still need parliamentary action.
And for the private sector to do their part.
She’s a prime minister, not an empress.
Her first order of business while prime Ministering should have been to make herself an empress. Classic mistake
No.
If only the prime minister of Iceland was in some kind of position of authority where she could do something to address gender inequality in Iceland.
did you read the article?
I’m not familiar with Icelandic law. Is it legal to pay someone less based on their gender?
It is illegal throughout the west, often monitored and harshly punished. As has been demonstrated time and again for decades, including by recent nobel laureate Claudia Goldin, the wage gap is due to women's choice, most notably motherhood. That women are paid less for the same work is false, a myth.
Well… sorta.
The average wage of women starts falling behind that of men at around the age of 30-something, which does match the point when people have kids nowadays, especially women with higher education. Funnilly enough, in average women earn more than men up to that point because more women get degrees than men.
So yeah, it’s related to childbearing.
However…
It apparently depends on how long a woman stays away from work during the parental leave period: the longer that happens the bigger the negative impact on a woman’s career and hence her on lifetime earnings.
Part of the reason why mothers stay much longer at home on parental leave than fathers are indeed personal choice, but part is cultural (i.e. societal expectation that the mother takes care of the children), part is legal (different legal lengths of parental leave for men and women) and economic (insufficient provision of affordable kindergarten places, at times making returning to work more costly than staying at home).
Whilst the first 2 aren’t really something governments can do much about, the second 2 are.
A handful of countries have gone ahead and done things to change this, for example with free kindergarten places guaranteed for every child and parental leave which is just one big gender-independent block of months that can be divided between parents in any way they see fit.
So are these female politicians in Iceland pushing for the real world solutions that can start fixing the roots of the problem or are they just endlessly posturing about the symptoms?!
Women are paid less for the same work. The gap is around 10%. For all men and women in full-time employment not in the same job it’s 20%, while the average total difference is 40%. Also you just linked to an article about a person recieving the Nobel prize instead of anything actually supporting your claim.
I don’t think it’s a myth exactly, just not nearly as bad as some statistics makes it out to my (i.e 80 cents to the dollar).
isn’t Iceland the most gender equal and progressive country?
And apparently this is why. Good for these women for standing up for what they deserve. I hope others around the world will see this.
It is but gender inequality is still endemic across society. Put this way, I’d rather be a woman in Iceland than say Afghanistan, but I’d still rather be a man in every single country.
So what happens when the prime minister goes on strike? Who leads the country?
Doesnt answer your question, however I did a tiny bit of googling. The prime minister is appointed by the president under the Constitution of Iceland, Section II Article 17, and chairs the Cabinet of Iceland. So maybe someone the president will appoint someone else from the cabinet as an acting prime minister?
That sounds like a scab hahahahah
This is the third big strike I've seen and been like "wow this wouldn't effect me at all".
Hollywood? I'd rather it go out of business.
American Auto Union? Anyone buying American cars is a dumbass.
And for this one....
Household chores? I do all those myself.
Schools? No kids.
Hospitals? Not sick.
Maybe retail workers and pharmacists. They'd have to strike on a weekend though.
And broadly I'd benefit greatly from half the labor market dropping out. Keep on striking. Never stop.
That’s a pretty self-centred take
Unionization leads to better working conditions and pay outside of their own membership in a “rising tides lift all boats” kind of way
A rising tide lifts all boats but Hollywood sucks and these strikes for equal pay want me to make the same money as them despite the fact I do more work.
I wish the auto unions the best through.
other people exist.
That's why I started my comment with "I've seen and been like "wow this wouldn't effect me at all"
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."
Nobody is "coming" for anyone here.
I'm happy to see Hollywood fail because I don't like Hollywood.
I'm happy to see these strikes from women fail because they're demanding an end to the wage gap (aka, they want to work less and get paid the same) and yet even more draconian "safety" laws.
I wish the auto workers the best, but their cars suck and they should all be out of business.
I accidentally ended up in the middle of this, and there was genuinely a huge turnout. It was good to see, and quite uplifting.
Good! Now let’s extend this movement to other countries as well. I want to see the impact women make in the workforce and what critical parts of the economy will collapse if women collectively decide to stop taking shit.
Naturally, parts of the economy that won’t come to a grinding halt need more female representation.
We need equal pay, equal opportunities, equal responsibility and equal representation.
that should do it
PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
That’s pretty clever