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  • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Three_Sisters_(agriculture)

    The Three Sisters […] are the three main agricultural crops of various indigenous people of Central and North America: squash, maize (“corn”), and climbing beans […]. […] In a technique known as companion planting, the maize and beans are often planted together in mounds […]; squash is typically planted between the mounds. The cornstalk serves as a trellis for climbing beans, the beans fix nitrogen in their root nodules and stabilize the maize in high winds, and the wide leaves of the squash plant shade the ground, keeping the soil moist and helping prevent the establishment of weeds.

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      www.nal.usda.gov/collections/…/three-sisters

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  • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s not a correction, that’s an added detail.

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    • m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “was” vs. “is”

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      • TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        As Mitch Hedberg would say

        They used to use it

        they still do.

        But they used to, too!

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      • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Ok, so it wasn’t even an added detail. It was changing the topic to present day instead of the past.

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      • Legianus@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Being pedantic it is added detail. As native Americans did it, even if they still do it, they could have originally/historically not done so.

        And also are there tribes/larger groups of native americans that did stop doing it? Then that statement is even stronger

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    • wieson@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It specifies the cultural application but broadens the temporal.

      (To be more direct: not every first nation practiced that technique.)

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      • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And thus is not a correction. It’s an added detail at best, or at least a change of topic. It’s not a corretion

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  • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t get the joke? Aren’t the named tribes a subset of native Americans, so it can be true without the original statement being false? Also, I thought the Iroquois used it too

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The Iroquois are the Haudenosaunee. The latter is the modern, more culturally appropriate term. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois

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      • bryophile@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Don’t culturally appropriate please

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      • Mandarbmax@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I did not know this before. Thank you!

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    • lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Aren’t the named tribes a subset of native Americans, so it can be true without the original statement being false?

      The original statement implies the technique was widespread across Native American groups. It’s almost certainly false for the ones here in South America; there’s a lot on terrace farming and slash-and-burn, but AFAIK nothing that resembles the companion system of the three sisters. (I wonder if it’s due to the prominence of subterranean crops. Taters, yucca, sweet potatoes.)

      The Haudenosaunee/Iroquois and the Cherokee/Tsalagi being related hints me it was something they developed.

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      • F_State@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That’s what I was thinking. Native Groups in many parts of North America didn’t practice agriculture at all or used rudimentary agriculture.

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    • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I read it as criticising reductionist views of the many diverse nations that existed in North America before Europeans showed up and decided that the whole continent was Terra Nullius.

      To this day a significant number of US high school American History textbooks only discuss the tribes in terms of their interactions with European invaders, and shy away from anything that might make them look like they were ever legitimate nations. Referring to them as ‘Native Americans’ instead of by name also has this effect.

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    • glilimith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I believe it’s the verb tenses. Instead of it being a historical fact, it’s an ongoing practice of an ongoing group of people

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      • Horsecook@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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    • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, “Native Americans” means everything from whoever lived on the tip of today’s Argentina all the way to the Inuit. So saying “native Americans” when it’s actually just two tribes is wrong.

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      • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So if you say like “people farm beans” that’s wrong because not all people farm beans? Presumably not all of the people in those two groups, it even every community within them, use the three sisters method, so is it still wrong?

        Or is it just that it’s ok to say “<plural> does <x>” without meaning “all <plural> do <x>”?

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      • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It is true that Native Americans used the 3 Sisters. Which ones? Those specific tribes, apparently.

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      • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        First nations?

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    • WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There is a tense change. The second person is saying the technique is still used by those tribes today.

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    • Squirrelsdrivemenuts@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think that’s why there’s a smile in the last square.

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  • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I always wondered why we don’t do more polyculture ag

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    • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s more labor intensive, especially for corn. You can’t just run a big harvester over the field, someone has to go out and pick it.

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      • fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That makes sense with the technology of the time but I imagine that’s probably changing

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Profit margins and prioritising short term gains. :(

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      • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And the fact that you can really only do handwork on a polyculture field, so it’s completely unsuited for anything but subsistence farming.

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      • ebolapie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I like it when food is cheap and I don’t like it when poor people starve to death, shoot me.

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    • F_State@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s possible that otherwise good combinations don’t line up in terms of season and require crop rotation as opposed to polyculture.

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  • brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Correction: The three sisters is an agricultural technique that is used by me in my garden. And I’m neither a Cherokee nor a Haudenosaunee.

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  • Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I thought it was a rock formation in Australia?

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