Meat consumption is legitimate problem though
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Submitted 2 weeks ago by diemartin@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
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abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah the ultra wealthy have a disproportionate individual impact on the climate, but a climate neutral world (which would still be experiencing catastrophe, we’ve passed that point) would still require lifestyle changes from everyone.
I get the frustration that people have about this, but while they have large magnitude to individual ratios we have large individual to magnitude factors. The issue is that its the sum of the products of those. It may be significantly irrelevant if you personally quit meat, but if enough people quit meat that your grocery store moves to treating meat as a specialty item then that’s a bigger blip, and if Kroger has to do that nationwide that one might show up on global warming graphs as is.
Ultimately this is going to require changing things. Removing meat subsidies will do far more than you going vegetarian, but part of how it will do that is by you and everyone else eating less meat.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
So eating meat is now rebelling against the billionaires…
For every dollar a billionaire spends trying to get you to eat less meat, other billionaires spend 100x more trying to get you to eat more meat through advertising, lobbying, etc.
If you want to play into the billionaires plans, eat more meat. If you want to help stop climate change, eat less meat.
rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Most climate ads etc aew propaganda by the billionaires to convince us that it’s our fault the planet is fucked. It’s actually their fault and im done taking the blame
mhague@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We need to map out the bunkers / assets of our elites. To better play chicken with them. Let’s all live like they do and if their example destroys the world, we make sure to clean up our mess on our way out… for the people who come after us.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Nothing common people do has much bearing on what will happen to the future of the world
The biggest most glaring problem we have is a BILLIONAIRE CLASS that think they can manage, manipulate and control an entire planet and its people in order to generate even more useless wealth and riches for themselves is the single greatest problem facing humanity.
No matter the problem in the world … BILLIONAIRES and the ultra wealthy are the root cause … get rid of them, outlaw them or remove their wealth and power and the majority of the world’s problems would be solved or meaningfully dealt with.
Instead we all choose to bury our heads in the sand, ignore the fact that the world is controlled by a handful of psychopathic hoarders and suggest that we just stop eating meat, get rid of plastic straws or recycle cardboard.
stickly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Agreed, but the meat thing isn’t really up for debate tho. Food production is like 30% of global emissions and meat is almost 60% of that. Add in the fact that the agg industry is functionally responsible for basically all ecosystem collapse (massive footprint, pesticides, chemicals, etc…) and we absolutely have to minimize it ASAP. As in, right now.
Halting meat production is a layup. That’s not going to change no matter what our wealth distribution looks like.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
It should also be mentioned that excessive meat consumption is probably not healthy and causes cardiovascular disease. So, everybody has a personal interest in eating less meat.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Most of the problem with meat production comes from the way we produce meat, rather than the amount. Which is inevitably dictated by big money interests, simply being allowed to do whatever they want, in order to maximize profit margins.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Bovines produce huge amounts of methane. There is no getting around that fact.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
The biggest most glaring problem we have is a BILLIONAIRE CLASS that think they can manage, manipulate and control an entire planet and its people
If you remove one CEO from office, another one would take their place, because that’s the rule of the game. CEOs have a fiduciary duty to maximize the company’s profits as much as possible, so if you replace a CEO by another, they would (have to) behave the same way.
We need to change the rules of the game, instead of changing the individuals on the playing field. We need to change the laws that grant people greater freedom and ensure sustainability. We need to pressure politicians instead of CEOs.
Just that in today’s world, CEOs are in bed with politicians, so i guess pressuring either would do the same thing.
threeonefour@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Other than voting for politicians that put climate change as their top issue, not eating meat is another effective method that literally anyone can do without affecting their life. Things like buying an electric car or not using natural gas to heat your home might not be options available to everyone. We can all live normal fulfilling lives without meat. You'll probably also save a decent amount on groceries, so that's a bonus!
db2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
not eating meat is another effective method that literally anyone can do without affecting their life
threeonefour@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
I feel like if I said "vaccines are safe and effective" you could respond with the same image and people would clap because that's how conversations about important issues go today.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Way to tell on yourself lmao
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Effective” is a relative term. Going meatless won’t fix the underlying problems that allowed factory farming to destroy the world. Why aren’t electric cars mandated? Why do we pipe natural gas into homes? The same shortsighted, profit-motivated decision processes will still exist even if we make better personal choices.
stickly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Another way to look at it: we’re already over the climate brink. Your future won’t have cheap/stable meat access no matter what. We can either clutch our hotdogs right up until supply chain collapse makes mass meat farming untenable or proactively discard them to make a slight difference (in conjunction with other big changes).
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Why do we pipe natural gas into homes?
puts on Technology Connections hat
because heat pumps and green energy weren’t a thing in the US until recently!
heat efficiency is weird. electric heaters are 100% efficient, but 1) they’re only as efficient as the generator, and 2) transmission losses add up. and until recently, most power was generated by coal and natural gas. turning those into electricity is lossy, since lots of energy is lost as waste heat. so why not send the gas you were going to burn for electricity directly to the customer?
heat pumps can be 300-400% efficient, since they move heat - from outdoors, into the home - rather than generating it. they can get >100% efficiency even in cold climates! but stupidly the US never bothered make our air conditioners reversible, or every home would have a heat pump by now.
and with solar/wind (for peak) + nuclear or grid storage (for base) power, we can now get rid of natural gas. …once we give everybody heat pumps. …and shutdown our gas generators. …we should probably get on that.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
And not littering won’t fix the underlying problems of single use plastics wrapping everything we touch, and the corporations that want to keep it that way. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t litter.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Absolutely true. However, making better personal choices does make these systemic problems easier to solve. When people know vegetarians, meatless meals become more comprehensible. When less people use piped natural gas there’s less justification to keep this utility around and reduces the scramble to buy electric appliances if it does shut down. Taking public transit where available funds further public transit, justifies its existence, incentivises more transit centered development, and lets similar places see that that service is in demand.
Capitalism and democracy respond to perceived demand. Not what you want, but what they believe that the masses are willing to act on.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
an electric car is a terrible way to reduce your carbon footprint. simply using a personal motor vehicle less is a much more effective method that anybody can do
threeonefour@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
That's true. Using your vehicle less is good. Not using one at all is even better. The same logic applies to eating meat. Less meat is good. No meat is even better. Your argument is the exact same argument for not eating meat. You cannot believe one is true without necessarily believing the other to be as well.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
You’ll probably also save a decent amount on groceries, so that’s a bonus!
Unfortunately, red meat is subsidized in the US so that it’s dirt cheap, so it’s often a “budget” option for poorer households. This is despite the well-known health downsides of red meat consumption. Red (cow, pig) meat consumption leads to high blood pressure, which can shorten lifes.
Don_alForno@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Both things can be true at the same time.
traceur201@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
There's something terribly offputting to me about this art/animation style yet it keeps cropping up in various shows
frog@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Cell-shaded 3D CGI mixed with traditional cartoon style?
I first saw this in Futurama in the late 90s for a TV show.
For CGI mixing without cell-shading, the ballroom in Beauty and the Beast did this.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Really cool Futurama shoutout. I recognized it as well, when they are doing a rotating shot of the Planet Express building. Family Guy was quick to pick ut up as well. Kinda jarring, but also quite cool.
traceur201@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I'm referring to the characters and the way they move and interact, cgi mixes don't bother me
moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
why does your video have pieces of dust flying across it
transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
How Taylor Swift goes downstairs to get milk