I need a game that gives me a summary of past notable story events and a quick “get back to speed” mini tutorial when I don’t play it for a long time, not this.
Hideo Kojima proposes a game where the protagonist forgets abilities if players take too long a break
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LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Right. I remember playing final fantasy 7 in the 90s. I softlocked myself by being underpowered for a boss, but unable to grind.
Turned it off, and when I turned it back on 5 years later, I was in a different area. No idea when/how J got there, but clearly I went back and did SOMETHING, but now had no idea where to go, or what to do.
I’m not starting over, but also, I’m not going to figure this out.
So now we’re 20 years later, and I have no idea where that memory card even is.
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Picked up Mario and Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story like 10 years later after giving up on it as a kid and had NO fucking idea of what I was doing. I remember bitching about the hard as fuck train minigame/mini-boss fight you have to do (perfectly, mind you) that I thought I couldn’t beat for the life of me. But I got back and was in a completely different area, not knowing how to leave or get back to where I needed to be.
I really need to beat that game, it was my first M&L side game…
lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 days ago
Fucking dumb idea. It isn’t like the player themself won’t forget this stuff already.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Hideo Kojima: I hate gamers… so much.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 days ago
Gamers “We love you, Hideo Kojima!”
erytau@programming.dev 2 days ago
So realistic. I also forget protagonist’s abilities if I take too long a break. I forget story, too
Goretantath@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Welp, fuck that. I already don’t like permadeath, why add decaying game progress? Fucking waste my damn time…
kyle@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Definitely not for all players. Depending on implementation, I could like this, but it needs to be almost like a mini tutorial to get you back in. Not a grind.
Lucky_777@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Breaking 4th wall here. Just add this game to the list I avoid by this crazy bastard.
homicidalrobot@lemm.ee 2 days ago
This is a feature of Escape From Tarkov. Your trainable skills decrease to a minimum if you don’t use them, even if you’re playing regularly. I tend to like effort-based progression more than point spend, so this is a sound idea depending on how it’s implemented.
Western gamers and especially americans are just devestated when a game doesn’t preserve their progress forever, Once Human being the prime example in recent years. People couldn’t see past level-playing-field reset periods and decided it was theft, so by the time they added permanent scenarios (which are basically like every ARK pve no wipe server: unplayably bad) the damage was done.
lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 days ago
Skill loss itself is fine, the problem is to make it based on RL time. It’s a game, not a job; you shouldn’t need to clock in/out regularly to enjoy it. (Tamagochi had the same issue. Except it was character loss.)
I didn’t play Escape from Tarkov but two good examples come to my mind:
- RimWorld - colonists have ~10 trainable skills. They lose skills over time, faster at higher levels. This encourages specialisation, so when shit hits the fan the game cripples you even harder. (Fuck you, Randy.)
- Nethack - your character gradually forgets spells over time; to avoid it you need to either re-read consumable spellbooks, or use the spell often (thus using precious mana). It’s all about resource management, hoard spells and you’ll get yourself killed in no time, but if you prioritise useful spells you have a better chance of survival.
In both cases the player is always losing something, even with correct gameplay. But neither demands you to treat it as a job.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 2 days ago
MUDs and early MMOs used to have skill rust. It sucked and was universally hated. There’s a reason most games don’t implement something like this, but developers seem to insist on bringing up long-buried ideas and calling them innovation.
bisby@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Tarkov is a live service game. Which has its own ups and downs. Tarkov has benefits of having some things progress while you are offline. Things happen at the server level while you’re gone.
Not every game needs to be a live service game though or try to use live service features in a single player offline game.
Unless there is a very specific reason in the game mechanics why in game time is 1:1 with real time, it doesn’t make a lot of sense except to be divisive and a discussion point.
Umbrias@beehaw.org 2 days ago
it’s criticized in general as a dark pattern that encourages toxic habits and is anti consumer. it is secondarily a problem because aint nobody got time for that shit.
solsangraal@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
lol isn’t he the asshole who doesn’t let you turn off the terrible music? get fucked bro
vxx@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s also the asshole that made you watch a Monster Energy add the whole game.
solsangraal@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
dude takes himself a little to seriously while selling out to monster energy drinks of all things
oce@jlai.lu 2 days ago
Obviously not great if it’s punitive, but if it introduces new creative gameplay or story branching, it could be cool.
SoupBrick@pawb.social 2 days ago
Godort@lemm.ee 2 days ago
This feels like a Peter Molydeux tweet
flightyhobler@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I feel like that already happens with all my games.
anachrohack@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’d be fucked lol, I go months between playing some games
njm1314@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Man fuck you Kojima
pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml 2 days ago
Isn’t this basically every gacha ever?
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
God…
If you put a gacha down for like half a year, you’re close to quiting. God forbid if it’s a year plus, you might as well drop it with how anyone you used is guaranteed to no longer be meta.
I’ve been on pause from Genshin since before they dropped the 4th region, Sumeru, which was like 3? years ago. I’ve given up all hope of ever playing the game again, because I know it will be impossible with the few shit 5 stars I’ve managed to scrape together. I keep telling myself I’ll pick up HSR again after dropping it a month or two after release, and even then I dread doing their shitty “designed for the new meta waifu” trial fights.
I love gachas but lord they make it a full time job. Cookie Run Kingdom is literally the only one I have the heart to keep up with, and even Ovenbreak has lost me.
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Good way to get a new Game Genie invented
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 days ago
This is the motion blur of gameplay design. I already forgot what the fucking buttons do, leave me alone