Fake: Open source is the most efficient way to get communities to push and develop technology. People gathering to discuss, work, and share solely for the interest of the subject, serves the subject. People putting in effort in exchange for resources will only be serving self-interest, and never be wholly dedicated to the project goal.
Gay: Capitalists are only interested in advancing technology for monetary gain; if reversing genuine improvement serves their greed, they will do (and have done) so.
solomon42069@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I find it really funny the US are trying to maintain their global position as tech leader while in the midst of a fascist take over. You know what’s incompatible with a thriving tech industry? Fascism. You can survive a little while after a take over, but eventually your rigorous little Christian commune of a society isn’t going to produce engineers, scientists or anyone with a taste level worth a damn.
reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Right and the scientists leave for places that are happy for the bump.
Also if trump tanks the US dollar IMF loans will become cheap to pay back so large borrowers will see a nice bump plus be allowed to make more independent decisions.
PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Okay, counterpoint: If fascists can’t produce decent engineers, then why did the US hire the nazi rocket scientists after WW2?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Most of them predated the Nazis, the rocketeer community was thriving in the Weimar Republic. Also fun fact my great grandfather was part of one of the R&D projects that worked on V1s and V2s, his notes were looked over by Von Braun after the war. He got an angry thank you letter because my great grandfathers notes were basically him insulting the engineering and material quality while making suggestions for improvement.
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Those scientists weren’t born during the Third Reich. They had always been there.
solomon42069@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Leonardo DaVinci was born in the 16th century and yet he came up with flying machines too. It’s a very different problem to have a key person, or five, who have vital engineering and design knowledge versus the numbers needed to uphold an industry. I was more talking about the latter.
You might produce a few geniuses to write your whitepapers - but you need scores of them to manufacture vehicles, bridges, roads, buildings, etc.
Donald Trump’s Gilead is not going to inspire anyone to become a software engineer in a time when we’re celebrating AI replacing jobs. Trump and MAGAs vision will not drive the world to do business with America - it will drive investors and new customers away, shrinking the US tech industry and eroding American dominance.
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
It’s already happened. Seriously, think about the last major innovation that came from a U.S. tech company. They’ve all gone to enshittification to try and extract as much value as they can from their consumers, because none of them are making good products. Now, with products like DeepSink coming out that clearly are focused on iterating and pushing tech forward, we’re starting to see the effects of American tech stagnation.
solomon42069@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Public companies aren’t capable of innovation, only acquisition.
erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I don’t know if I agree with this statement. If one of the main goals of the fascist state is technological superiority, they’ll prioritize it. Nazi Germany was on the cutting edge of science, to the point that the US hired a bunch of their scientists. They made technology a priority at the expense of other sectors. Luckily, being incapable of trade or producing the resources they needed, they didn’t outstrip the rest of the world, but the same likely can’t be said for the US. I think other factors will get in the way of tech research in the US far more than fascism, like moronic trade wars and disincentives for higher education, which while being enacted by fascists, aren’t necessarily fascist tenets, as proven by history.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The problem with fascist and other authoritarian states and science is that it no longer becomes scientific when the authoritarians don’t like the evidence.
Chernobyl is an example of authoritarians running science and engibeering. Hiding things they don’t like and refusing to accept reality with the full weight of the government behind it.
Justas@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
A lot of Nazi technology were just useless Wunderwaffe, while technologically impressive, mostly useless in the field. The V2 rocket was an impressive achievement, but not a price effective bombing system. The jet planes came too little too late. The big tanks were impressive, but too few to make a difference.