Swearing an oath “in vain” is not allowed. Ie, don’t swear in the holy name and then go back on your word. As I understand it. That would be the mortal sin.
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Submitted 1 month ago by Maven@lemmy.zip to [deleted]
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rbos@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Maven@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I’d also only heard the “in vain” version prior but every list I can find of all sins says “swearing an oath” and doesn’t specify the intent behind it.
I even found the passage James 5:12 which states: “Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear—not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. All you need to say is a simple “Yes” or “No.” Otherwise you will be condemned.”
Seems to condemn all oath swearing of any kind on anything.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
that’s really interesting. Apparently I’m going to hell for joining the cub scouts (boy/girl scouts for people under 13 iirc) 😔
Hoimo@ani.social 1 month ago
I’ve always found it interesting that affirmation is seen as the secular alternative to swearing on the Bible, when it’s actually some branches of Christianity that are most vehemently opposed to swearing oaths. I don’t know where swearing on the Bible even came from if the Bible is so clear about it. Did the church ever condone it or was this something thought up by vaguely religious politicky types who wanted a serious promise no-take-backsies style and didn’t ask the cleric if it was alright?
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
For the alcohol thing, it’s mostly about excess. Otherwise you have to ignore the first miracle Jesus performed was essentially a beer run.
Maven@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Oh yeah for sure. Drinking on its own isn’t a problem.
Drinking during a celebration though seems to be an issue.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Again the miracle was a beer run for a wedding, soni think celebration and drinking can go together.
Hazzard@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Drives me crazy how many churches still manage to conclude that drinking is an outright sin. Like… forget the conversations we can have about the particulars of drunkenness versus drinking, how did we ever get past Jesus turning water into wine to believe this was a sin in the first place?
You have to jump through so many hoops of ignoring the obvious in scripture to even begin to argue for it, and yet it’s a widespread belief.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Yep the no alcohol makes no sense, public drunkenness or alcoholism are different, but alcohol use is pretty common. It’s not just the water to wine thing, there’s also the last supper where he essentially gave a toast of “continue to toast in my name.”
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
In most cases oath and affirmation are legally interchangeable. You can affirm that you are telling the truth without swearing an oath.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 1 month ago
A marriage proposal, most likely
Maven@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
But then the fornication wouldn’t be a sin :/
toynbee@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Depends on the recipient. I have some friends who would be very into this discussion and some who, if they responded at all, would probably just call me a nerd or something.
Apytele@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
To me honestly lust is just lying about sex. Being poly when a partner tells me they had somebody over to fuck while I’ve been on my 3 day work stretch I’m like high five buddy get it but finding a dating app on their phone I didn’t know about or intimate texts I didn’t know about or that they cut into my time with them and told me they were sick or working when they were with another person are all not ok. Same thing when I’ve made relationship fuckups it was never really the having sex with someone else specifically it was that I was doing that after saying I was willing to be monogamous and not fessing up when I realized I couldn’t be.
Naz@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I’ve read that that the 7 deadly sins are just “reverse extrapolates” of the ten commandments, e.g: “Do not commit adultery” -> Lust.
Even the “original sin” (disobedience) is extrapolated.
Which means they’re not legally binding as a result.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
FYI, the sin of envy has its roots in the 10 commandments.
Yahweh, one of El’s Cananite god sons, as an invention of protector of the Israelites, has Moses declare that no god is above him, and the “though shalt not covet” commandment is an order to kill all Cananites and destroy their idols instead of taking them for their gold and silver value. Israelite hasbara evil was born.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The irony is also that when lusting after a woman is prohibitied (and homosexuality is too), and yet you’re expected to “go forth and procreate”… how the fuck are you supposed to procreate when you can’t because your own rules contradict each other?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I am a vain jangler and it’s pretty fun
LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Stealing and theft are technically two different things. Piracy is stealing but isn’t theft.
HOWEVER theft is almost always stealing, so I’m equally confused as you.
TaTTe@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Can you explain how they’re different? The definition I found makes them sound identical: “theft; the action or crime of stealing” (Oxford dictionary).
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Theft deprives the owner of their property.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 month ago
That’s wrong. And the comment your replying to gives you the explanation. But in case that’s not enough: theft deprives people of something while stealing doesn’t. Copying is not theft.