Nope. It’s too late. He’ll always only be a border collie now.
I or my family does has a 3 year old mixed border collie. Is it to late to train him for something new?
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Don_Dickle@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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shasta@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
You can teach an old dog new tricks, but 3 isn’t old, so you’ll be fine.
lettruthout@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Agreed. I currently have a four year old as a foster. In this first week he’s learned a bunch if stuff. Be patient and consistent, practice at least three times daily, remember that you are the top dog, consult other if you get stuck. You’ll be fine.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Man, the only time it’s too late to rain a dog is when it has dementia. Which sucks, not that they cease to be trainable, but that they get dementia; it isn’t fucking fair.
All you have to do is find the right reward, and break down the desired behavior into steps combined with signals.
You want a dog to sit, as an example, you find their magic reward. For the example, let’s stick with a food treat. You get the dog’s attention, you give a gentle push on their rear while giving the signal and when they get a little lower, you give the reward. Easy peasy.
You expand that by extending how far into the sit they get before they get the reward. Most dogs, you can have responding to a verbal sit command in ten minutes, and they’ll remember it for ages. Once they’re responding to a verbal command at all, give another signal with it, like a finger moving from pointing at them, then down. That way, they’ll be able to respond to visual signals as well, which is handy when there’s a lot of noise and they need to obey a command for safety.
It doesn’t even have to be a word or a gesture, you can do whistles, clicks, whatever. The key is that each command needs to be distinct, and short. Trying to say “hey dog, jump up into my arms” might eventually work, but it’ll take longer.
Which leads into training to get them doing something like that. Easiest is when they already display a behavior, like jumping. They jump up, you say “good jump” and give them a treat. Eventually, you say jump and they do it. More importantly, if you switch to only rewarding them when you give the signal, they’re less likely to jump in their own, which is nice when you want to stop a behavior.
All training is a variation of that, with complex behaviors needing to be broken down into small steps, like “sit”, then “sit up” when you want them to raise their front end off the ground after sitting. If you want them to go get a beer from the fridge, you teach them what beer is by first teaching “touch”, which is making contact with something on command, then having them touch a can and saying beer. Then you have them go to the kitchen. Then to the fridge. Then pull the rope, then get the beer out. Eventually, you chain the commands, and they learn to do it all when you tell them to “fetch me a beer”. What’s really fun is when you extend that and get them to bring one to whoever you point at, or to someone whose name they know. This example here isn’t structured perfectly, it’s just to give the idea.
Timing signal, behavior, and reward is the key to all of it. Works on humans too, btw.
But you never need to use negative reinforcement at all. To the contrary, doing so delays training, and makes it harder. All positive, all happy, all reward based. You can get the dumbest dog on the planet to follow basic commands with the right reward and some patience.
Now, food rewards tend to be the easiest. They’re portable, they can be used almost anywhere, and most dogs respond to a treat enthusiastically. But our isn’t the only possible reward, nor will it always be the magic reward for every dog. Sometimes play is the magic reward, sometimes it’s praise or touch. But once you find the thing your dog wants the most, give it to them regularly and connect it to behaviors, and they’ll learn fast.
My little girl? She was amazing. She was trained to go get a treat, bring it to you, give out to you, and wait until you gave it back before eating it. Took a week. But, if you said “go eat a treat”, she would go, get one treat, bring it to where she could see you and then eat it. If you said to bring treats, she’d bring the bag and give it to you, prancing the entire way since she knew it was play/training time and she’d get lots of treats.
She knew the names of every toy she had. She would go to the box and bring whatever you asked for, then “clean up” at the end of a play session by taking all the toys to the box.
Which, that’s going off topic, but I can’t talk about dogs without thinking of her, and the two year date of when she was put down was not that far back, so I’m missing her extra hard lately. She was best girl. Fifteen years of love, and I hope the best girl or boy you’re asking about brings your family just as much joy.
Proposal6114@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
She sounds like an amazing girl, I’m glad you had each other.
MossyFeathers@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Border collies tend to be hyper intelligent as far as dog breeds go. You can train them to do anything even when their muzzle is going grey. Be warned that, like most intelligent animals, this means you’ll have your hands full; but the tradeoff is that they tend to have a ton of personality.
Mac (the first dog I remember having) basically trained me to fetch.
Sirius (second dog) came up with his own game; the downstairs of my parents house is kinda like a loop, with a pair of doors leading from the kitchen to the dining room, and he loved to play “go around”. If you closed the doors he’d go around to try and catch you before you could get to the other side; and sometimes he’d fake-out, where he’d run from the living room to the hallway, and then turn around and come back. He would get so excited that he’d actually parkour off the wall to turn around. He also loved it if you just ran away and hid while he was running to the other side of the doors.
Brigid (current dog) loves playing with blankets and sometimes accidentally gets herself wrapped up in them. You can tell she was having fun if the floor is covered in blankets.
Source: mom loves border collies, so we always had one. I like them too because they’re a lot of fun.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It should also be noted that they’re incredibly energetic. If they get bored… they can get destructive in a hurry.
It’s best to keep any kind of shepherd well exercised and mentally engaged.
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You know what they say, you can’t teach a dog tricks. Why bother
MrQuallzin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s not even what the phrase is
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
You know what they say. A phrase in the hand is worth walking five hundred miles.
Sidhean@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Hmm, yes, very wise.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
If he is conscious then he is capable of forming new connections in his brain. Yes he’s trainable.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I thought my 2 year old cat “turn around” some weeks ago! Next will be “play dead”
TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
A 5 year old rescue doggy was taught to drive.
Maalus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Billi was a 12 yo cat, who later learned to use like 50 words using buttons (if not more). Unsurprisingly, the favourite word was “mad”. So if someone can teach an elderly cat to talk, you can teach a young border collie to play fetch.
satanmat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No. Border Collies LOVE to work. I’ve had two who were amazing. They were great at learning stuff.
So yes go train him, work his fluffy butt off.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Not really. I’ve trained dogs way older than that, but the complexity I’ve managed to teach them varies. Dogs want to be your cool bro, and given enough positive reinforcement, they’ll do whatever it takes, provided that they understand what it is that you want.