Yeah, to be honest, if Apple’s model is not legal, then neither is Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo…
It’s a good argument.
Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles
Submitted 7 months ago by mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml to games@lemmy.world
https://www.polygon.com/24108670/xbox-epic-games-store-phil-spencer-interview
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Sneptaur@pawb.social 7 months ago
aksdb@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s not the same model though, is it? I can buy XBox, PS an Nintendo games in a shit ton of physical or digital stores. So there are different channels. There is no equivalent on iOS. If you don’t want to publish in the app store, no one will be able to install your app (developers with own certs and enterprise customers with mdm excluded).
themusicman@lemmy.world 7 months ago
A chunk of those sales go to the platform, regardless of where they’re bought
Sneptaur@pawb.social 7 months ago
This is true, but they’re also now selling digital-only consoles. For some customers, the digital store is their only choice.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 months ago
if Apple’s model is not legal, then neither is Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo…
Except it’s not about the model itself, it’s about market power. Neither game console maker has a monopoly, not even Nintendo.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Are there any other virtual stores on the console? There’s obviously physical store fronts, but I’m pretty sure there’s only the one digitally on console.
golli@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I agree that it is about market powery, but one could make the argument that Xbox/PlayStation have a duopoly similar to iOS/Android.
Although I think PlayStation dominated with roughly a 70/30 split worldwide (higher in Europe). Nintendo is somewhat in its own category imo, since they mostly do their own games and don’t directly compete in that sense.
But I guess in a way consoles also compete with PCs.
Sneptaur@pawb.social 7 months ago
Microsoft is edging closer to a monopoly, which may be why they’re making this move.
big_slap@lemmy.world 7 months ago
my steam library on my xbox, yes please 🙏
atocci@kbin.social 7 months ago
Can Win32 programs run on the xbox? I know there's Edge, but iirc, that's packaged in some unique way.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I thought all xboxes were x86 hardware running some variant of windows under the hood?
Chainweasel@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The Series X would make a great Steambox
Desistance@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Indeed. I’ll definitely consider buying one if I can turn it into a Steam box.
dandroid@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Yeah, well I want game pass on Steam and Linux, but we can’t get everything we want, Phil.
narrowscoped@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think it’s gonna get there very soon. Steam on Xbox, and also Xbox on steam deck.
The only issue with the latter is Valve is using proton translation to bypass windows and make their own thing, it’s a tremendously grey area that Microsoft has said NOTHING about, only because Steam is legit and game sale money go to publishers.
Imagine if Yuzu was legit and game sales still went to nintendo or 3rd parties, the tech behind proton and yuzu nce aren’t dissimilar!
xavier666@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Proton should be called PINE instead because PINE Is Not an Emulator.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Steam suspicously absent from this conversation, but I’m willing to be patient and see.
It’s a positive attitude for Spencer to take, but would have to see it in practice to be able to make judgment on if he really stands behind those words or if he is simply making a strategic business decision whose real motives are simply masked by these words.
The latter is par for the course for corporations, so we don’t have a lot to lean on in favor of him truly holding these values, sadly. One can hope, however, that miracles can and do happen.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think Valve in particular has more incentive to make a console-esque PC that runs Steam than they do to make a storefront on someone else’s console.
Molecular0079@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s not where Valve makes their money from though. Their money primarily comes from store purchases, so anything to expand Steam’s reach is better for them. Plus, keeping Steam as relevant and ubiquitous as possible will in turn promote sales of the Steam Deck. The Xbox and Steam Deck cater to fundamentally different use cases anyways.
windowsphoneguy@feddit.de 7 months ago
Damn that’d go hard for Itch.io
aluminium@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Might as well allow me to install a other OS at this point
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Playstation let you do that for a while.
nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
I remember Linux for PlayStation 2 back in the days.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s finally happening? Console manufacturers realizing that the old model, that’s worse for the consumer, doesn’t make sense anymore?
echo64@lemmy.world 7 months ago
No, there won’t be another xbox. Phil Spencer is angling to get gamepass on nintendo and sony. But he’s going to have to force it through the courts and government legislation, much like epic is doing with mobile stores now.
It’s a play for gamepass, not the consumer
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s a play for the consumer’s money, and when the consumer has better options than the traditional console model, the console model breaks down. They’ve got at least one more Xbox in them, whether or not that next Xbox is just a PC with different branding.
lorty@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
And how much of a cut would you be tanking Phil?
woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Fun fact: Microsoft can already do that: Just ship a Windows container on Xbox.
Defaced@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Have you ever tried to setup a Windows container let alone one on an Xbox? Even Microsoft knows windows containers are fucking shit, just look at azure Linux, it’s the entire reason for it’s existence
woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Even Microsoft knows windows containers are fucking shit
The Xbox System Software contains a heavily modified Hyper-V hypervisor (known as NanoVisor) as its host OS and two partitions. One of the partitions, the “Exclusive” partition is a custom virtual machine (VM) for games; the other partition, the “Shared” partition is a custom VM for running multiple apps including the OS. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_system_software#System
Xbox already runs two VMs. Just throw in a third with real Windows.
ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 7 months ago
EGS isn’t any good on PC. What makes them think a workable console version is coming any time soon?
Molecular0079@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah, they still haven’t fixed the slow ass scrolling performance in the client and have barely introduced any platform features to their store. It’s so bad.
bungle_in_the_jungle@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’ve been using Heroic launcher and it’s made a massive difference fwiw.