Submitted 8 months ago by spider@lemmy.nz to technology@beehaw.org
The newly listed company warned in its initial public offering (IPO) paperwork that its unique approach to content moderation can sometimes subject it to disruptions like in 2023, when several moderators protested against its decision to charge third-party app developers
I seem to recall over 8000 subs going dark but sure, just a handful of people protested.
Ahem, “several” (thousand)
Inappropriate for a wire service/po•tah•to. Reuters has little value to me if non factual statements are not attributed as quotes.
Why? Did something happen to all the volunteer mods? I wonder what it could have been.
volunteer mods allow things like The Donald to exist.
Anyone can make a Lemmy instance with the equivalent. And some instances will defederate from it.
That won’t go well.
If you’re investing in paid moderation, you don’t want different mod teams moderating different subreddits - that would be a waste of money, and a pain to coordinate. Instead you want to gather the whole “Reddit mod team” as a single unit, and give them a single set of rules to enforce over the whole site, across multiple subreddits.
In other words, it makes no difference if you’re in a small and specialised subreddit or a large and generic one. Say hello to people posting memes in discussion subreddits, rhetorical questions in “ask” subs, so goes on.
And since now subreddits are more similar to each other, there’s less of a point to stay in the smaller subreddits. People will congregate even harder into the larger ones, that are way harder to moderate than the smaller ones (more users = more activity, conflict, and trolls per user). This might create a paradox, where more moderation will cause lower enforcement of the rules, since users are breaking them more often.
The same applies if they’re investing in automatic moderation. With an additional issue - it’s easier to exploit it.
I think they would still allow community moderators for individual subreddit rules, just hire more people to enforce the site-wide rules and let the community mods focus on fostering their own communities. This is the ideal of course and Reddit is, well, Reddit so you might be correct.
This is the ideal of course and Reddit is, well, Reddit so you might be correct.
Yup. Couple it with Reddit taunting the moderators to leave; [shitty] replacement mods (the free ones) for large subs are a dime a dozen, since it comes with bragging rights, but the smaller subs got specially harmed. (I wouldn’t be surprised if some are still private.) The paid mods will be the only ones enforcing rules in these subs.
“Well believe our approach is the most sustainable and scalable moderation model that exists online today. We are continually investing in and iterating on new tools and policies to improve our internal capabilities,” the Reddit spokesperson said.
That’s not what mods say.
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It’s likeIt is relying on unpaid labor when the company has nearly a billion dollars in revenue,”
It’s amazing that it has existed for so long and investors still don’t understand why the users go there in the first place.
The take is more like “landed gentry” has too little oversight, they are too independent. They are too far removed from their “king” and dont want to follow his every whim.
Odd, normally Wall St is all about slave labor.
Remember when reddit was a free speech platform where pretty much everything legal was ok except doxing?
What went wrong that we can’t have places like that on the Internet anymore?
We’re kinda using it right now. Strange how all the good things that persist are community efforts, huh? Makes you really think.
Are we though? Every other day you have someone asking to defederate or block instances. In a way everyone is free to talk, but there’s still people controlling who listens to what.
Places like r/jailbait and r/fatpeoplehate existed under the guise of free speech.
Man, sometimes I forget how awful that site could actually be. I just miss the crafting subreddits.
Abuse. I don't agreewithfree speach in all things. I doupt anyone does. I don't want to see constant (to the point of only) ads for vbucks. I don't want threats to my person. There are a few other things like that, that I think we all agree on., I then have a personal list of things like porn or swearing that iidon't want to see but some of you do. Where to draw theelineethus isn't clear but there is one.
I think the line is easy to draw: astralcodexten.com/…/moderation-is-different-from…
I oppose most censorship, but I do not oppose moderation. If you don’t want to see certain people speaking freely, you shouldn’t have to, but you shouldn’t be allowed to keep them from speaking freely to each other.
Money. Greed. Enshittification. Capitalism.
There’s going to be a lot of “unforeseen” challenged to the site now. I get the impression Spez thought it would just be gravy train and hasn’t really taken into account how much it’s going to change the site
He already had his payday. The suckers will be left holding the bag when it all inevitably goes south.
spez doesn't care, be just wanted the money for his doomsday bunker.
The writing was on the wall. The announcement posts were always sad to see. In the comments you would have people begging for better mod tools or asking various questions only to be completely ignored or brushed off. Or they would get false promises that never actually were acted on. Classic spez
Sweet, I can’t wait to see ModAI implementing moderation to further Reddit’s boring echo chamber.
Yeah, let me tell ya what’s NOT going to happen…
Much like Meta and Xitter, it ain’t worth the money to these companies. People will continue to lick their boots, and they will keep stepping. They don’t care.
Take me back to 2007
Well, yes, but actually, no
This hurts to see. Enshittification sucks…
retrieval4558@mander.xyz 8 months ago
It’s not like that, it is that.
Malgas@beehaw.org 8 months ago
It’s amazing how often things are similar to what they are.
spider@lemmy.nz 8 months ago
0xD@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Lol. Word unprofessional!