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Do women wanna be called “women” tho? I don’t mean this rhetorically, but as a genuine question.

I for example, would hate to be called a “man”. It just makes me sound old. I would prefer being referred to as “male”, or anything that isn’t the word “man”. This is applicable to a lot of my friends too. Don’t women feel the same way?

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jewbacca117@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Personally, I’d prefer to be called my name. To each their own I guess

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- Slovene@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Hello, my name! 👋
  
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- Birch@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  “Make me a sammich, jewbacca117” just doesn’t have the same ring to it
  
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  - Slovene@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Birch, please!
    
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- Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  I suppose I can call you my name if you really want.
  
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- daellat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  With 117 I can only do chief, sorry.
  
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- ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Is your name Mayor? Or is that your title?
  
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krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Apparently not. The world would be a much better place if we all stopped making such a big deal about specific trigger words and focused on the ideas being communicated. If someone’s intent was to be an asshole then sure, get the pitchforks out, but make it clear it’s the idea that’s bad. Don’t just scapegoat the word. If they weren’t obviously trying to be a dick then calibrate your response accordingly.

To put it another way, if you’re upset about the use of a word that a scientist might use to describe something then you’re probably being overly sensitive.

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- riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  science is often biased by cultural ideas. biology, medicine, and psychology, have been used to pathologise or naturalise things along social lines. this is also reflected in the language they created.
  
  i think it is important for this lamguage to be reevaluated, as culture and the scientific view on the world changes.
  
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  - Mr_Blott@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Cool, start by learning what a ‘shift’ key is.
    
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    Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    this is a conversation about accepting ideas rather than critisizing the form…
    
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    riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    go fuck youself asshole
    
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  - ricdeh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    No, they are not for you to reevaluate because you hold no knowledge or expertise in these fields. Demanding for outsiders to interfere with the scientific process because of their silly little biases and mental disabilities is a deranged opinion.
    
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    GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Based
    
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- UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Listen, I’m not against using any words. I’m just for using words, that if used cause no harm, and lead to people feeling better. We are emotional beings and it is unnecessary to try to pretend that we aren’t.
  
  If someone wants me to call them “X”, I would try to do that if it is not too out of my way, right? That’s all.
  
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- 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  You are correct but social media lives and thrives on the idea of making people overreact to things.
  
  Genders, races, politics… It’s all literally designed for people to argue with eachother while the owners profit on their “discussions” (actual discussions are banned).
  
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photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I don’t see what’s wrong with calling men ‘men’. I don’t mind it at all, seeing as it’s a descriptor of what I am using the English language. What’s your problem with the word?

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- UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Not a native English speaker, so I guess I’m understanding the word wrong (judging from the other comments).
  
  It’s just that calling someone a “man/woman” makes it seem like I’m calling them old? Like… I don’t think we associate the word “man” with youth, right? Like… Whenever someone refers to me as a man (which is quite uncommon thankfully), I cringe a little inside.
  
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  - photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    ‘Man’ refers to human individuals, especially adult male humans. So the word is pretty flexible, and can technically refer to any human regardless of age.
    
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Microw@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Not sure where you grew up culturally, but that seems like a very foreign concept to me personally. We use “boys”/“guys” and “girls” to demote young men and women. No one here would get the idea to use “male” and “female”, which to our ears are purely biological words.

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- Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Here in Australia we use male/female all the time.
  
  I physically cringe when I see Americans say stuff like “woman politician” instead of “female politician”. It sounds so grammatically wrong, that you legit sound like a caveman impression (ex. “Grug go car”).
  
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  - syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Yeah, to my ESL ears man/woman are nouns, not adjectives, and using them as adjectives comes off as childish.
    
    That said, “female X” can also sound clumsy, if it’s implied that a bare X is male, e.g. “politician” and “female politician”, vs male and female politician. There was a twitter account calling itself a “male programmer” which took the piss out of that trope.
    
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    Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    100%, I also hate the stupid shit like “actress” as if we need a whole new fucking word when you can just say actor for everyone.
    
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- UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Well, English is not the native language where I’m from. So perhaps it must be the cultural context for the word “man”? I mean, we don’t use the words “male-female” much outside biological contexts as well… I’ve just rarely seen anyone use the words “man/woman” for anyone our age (we’re young adults for context).
  
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cmbabul@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I’ve never encountered a man or woman that hated being called whichever was appropriate

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- UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Must be cultural then (as another commentator pointed out). I’m not a native English speaker. Perhaps it must be different meanings associated to words influenced by my native language? Not sure haha
  
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queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
… honey, there could be another reason you don’t like being called a man. Just a thought.

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- UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Nah, I identify as male. It’s just that the visual of a “man” for me is an older bearded dude with a deep voice… which I’m not…
  
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  - queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I am actually speaking from experience here. Never had a problem with other male identifiers, but something about “man” squicked me out. It always felt like becoming a man was something far off, and I kept getting older and it never happened…
    
    Now I’m on hormones and am a woman and things are fine. Not saying this is your situation, but it was mine.
    
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- JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Why would they want to be called, ‘boy’, ‘male’, etc then?
  
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  - queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It happened to me. Being a boy never bothered me, but as I got older becoming a “man” made me dysphoric.
    
    So I became a woman instead.
    
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    JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Fair enough. For me, any gendered language makes me dysphoric when I am not that gender. But of course gender is a very individual and personal thing.
    
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BeN9o@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
How have you applied age to the word “man”? Unless you’re not an adult and “man” to you means being an adult?

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- Microw@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Guy probably is between 16 and 25 and doesn’t want to be an adult lol
  
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