Comment on These dames wanting inclusivity

UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• jewbacca117@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Personally, I’d prefer to be called my name. To each their own I guess

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  • Slovene@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hello, my name! 👋

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  • Birch@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Make me a sammich, jewbacca117” just doesn’t have the same ring to it

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    • Slovene@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Birch, please!

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  • Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I suppose I can call you my name if you really want.

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  • daellat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    With 117 I can only do chief, sorry.

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  • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is your name Mayor? Or is that your title?

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• krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Apparently not. The world would be a much better place if we all stopped making such a big deal about specific trigger words and focused on the ideas being communicated. If someone’s intent was to be an asshole then sure, get the pitchforks out, but make it clear it’s the idea that’s bad. Don’t just scapegoat the word. If they weren’t obviously trying to be a dick then calibrate your response accordingly.

  To put it another way, if you’re upset about the use of a word that a scientist might use to describe something then you’re probably being overly sensitive.

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  • riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    science is often biased by cultural ideas. biology, medicine, and psychology, have been used to pathologise or naturalise things along social lines. this is also reflected in the language they created.

    i think it is important for this lamguage to be reevaluated, as culture and the scientific view on the world changes.

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    • Mr_Blott@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Cool, start by learning what a ‘shift’ key is.

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      • Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        this is a conversation about accepting ideas rather than critisizing the form…

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      • riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        go fuck youself asshole

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    • ricdeh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, they are not for you to reevaluate because you hold no knowledge or expertise in these fields. Demanding for outsiders to interfere with the scientific process because of their silly little biases and mental disabilities is a deranged opinion.

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      • GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Based

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  • UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Listen, I’m not against using any words. I’m just for using words, that if used cause no harm, and lead to people feeling better. We are emotional beings and it is unnecessary to try to pretend that we aren’t.

    If someone wants me to call them “X”, I would try to do that if it is not too out of my way, right? That’s all.

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  • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You are correct but social media lives and thrives on the idea of making people overreact to things.

    Genders, races, politics… It’s all literally designed for people to argue with eachother while the owners profit on their “discussions” (actual discussions are banned).

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• photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t see what’s wrong with calling men ‘men’. I don’t mind it at all, seeing as it’s a descriptor of what I am using the English language. What’s your problem with the word?

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  • UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not a native English speaker, so I guess I’m understanding the word wrong (judging from the other comments).

    It’s just that calling someone a “man/woman” makes it seem like I’m calling them old? Like… I don’t think we associate the word “man” with youth, right? Like… Whenever someone refers to me as a man (which is quite uncommon thankfully), I cringe a little inside.

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    • photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      ‘Man’ refers to human individuals, especially adult male humans. So the word is pretty flexible, and can technically refer to any human regardless of age.

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• Microw@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not sure where you grew up culturally, but that seems like a very foreign concept to me personally. We use “boys”/“guys” and “girls” to demote young men and women. No one here would get the idea to use “male” and “female”, which to our ears are purely biological words.

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  • Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Here in Australia we use male/female all the time.

    I physically cringe when I see Americans say stuff like “woman politician” instead of “female politician”. It sounds so grammatically wrong, that you legit sound like a caveman impression (ex. “Grug go car”).

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    • syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, to my ESL ears man/woman are nouns, not adjectives, and using them as adjectives comes off as childish.

      That said, “female X” can also sound clumsy, if it’s implied that a bare X is male, e.g. “politician” and “female politician”, vs male and female politician. There was a twitter account calling itself a “male programmer” which took the piss out of that trope.

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      • Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        100%, I also hate the stupid shit like “actress” as if we need a whole new fucking word when you can just say actor for everyone.

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  • UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well, English is not the native language where I’m from. So perhaps it must be the cultural context for the word “man”? I mean, we don’t use the words “male-female” much outside biological contexts as well… I’ve just rarely seen anyone use the words “man/woman” for anyone our age (we’re young adults for context).

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• cmbabul@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve never encountered a man or woman that hated being called whichever was appropriate

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  • UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Must be cultural then (as another commentator pointed out). I’m not a native English speaker. Perhaps it must be different meanings associated to words influenced by my native language? Not sure haha

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• queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  … honey, there could be another reason you don’t like being called a man. Just a thought.

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  • UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nah, I identify as male. It’s just that the visual of a “man” for me is an older bearded dude with a deep voice… which I’m not…

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    • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I am actually speaking from experience here. Never had a problem with other male identifiers, but something about “man” squicked me out. It always felt like becoming a man was something far off, and I kept getting older and it never happened…

      Now I’m on hormones and am a woman and things are fine. Not saying this is your situation, but it was mine.

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  • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why would they want to be called, ‘boy’, ‘male’, etc then?

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    • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It happened to me. Being a boy never bothered me, but as I got older becoming a “man” made me dysphoric.

      So I became a woman instead.

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      • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Fair enough. For me, any gendered language makes me dysphoric when I am not that gender. But of course gender is a very individual and personal thing.

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• BeN9o@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How have you applied age to the word “man”? Unless you’re not an adult and “man” to you means being an adult?

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  • Microw@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Guy probably is between 16 and 25 and doesn’t want to be an adult lol

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