Moatly about capitalism i think. If you put on privacy restrictions, you are regulating the market, while capitalism believes that the market should regulate itself, and customers will simply stop using those websites/softwares overtime if its too bad. I find this completely delusional in the era of mega corporations, but thats the capitalistic aproach to this.
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9point6@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Why is it basically only the EU that seems to have an interest in preventing shitty business practices.
BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf 9 months ago
WhipTheLlama@lemmy.world 9 months ago
EU is capitalist, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Maybe you’re just another person blaming everything on capitalism because that’s easier than understanding the actual problems. Might as well blame it on the prevalent system.
BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf 9 months ago
Im not exactly against capitalism, but i do think that a hardcore capitalistic aproach such as the one in the US has many downsides.
Please try not to throw insults or mean assumptions. We are here to discuss.
barsoap@lemm.ee 9 months ago
The EU is a social market economy. It currently slants more capitalist but nothing whatsoever stops member states from taxing the hell out of billionaires shifting it more towards market socialism.
What really doesn’t fly in the EU is the free market <-> unregulated market equivocation that peddlers of institutional market failure enjoy so much. The free market model relies on perfectly rational actors acting on perfect information, in the real world you need regulation to approach that ideal. If you want to see actually unregulated markets have a look at black ones where there’s not even regulations against offers you can’t refuse.
And that’s why the EU is legislating things like caps having to stay attached to plastic bottles: Because not doing it would allow companies to continue to externalise microplastic problems they generate and, innovation costing money, they wouldn’t do it on their own (the new caps aren’t even more expensive per piece it’s just some R&D and very small changes to bottling machines.)
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
capitalism believes that the market should regulate itself
Anarcho-capitalism ⊊ capitalism.
Efwis@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Because they listen to people rather than ignore them and then make policy based on how much money they can make from the deal.
This shows me the EU is actually more democratic then the US is.
rtxn@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s much harder to pay off the lawmakers to keep the status quo when the economic area is controlled by dozens of individual governments.
cynar@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This is actually a particularly important point. The nature of the EU is laden with bureaucracy. Combined with the wide range of cultures, and the rotation of staff, it makes bribing enough people to get your way difficult. You end up needing people in multiple countries to deal with it, and the rotations make long term deals difficult.
The end result is that bribing EU bureaucracy is like trying to stop a river with just hands. It’s far less effective, letting the EU be a lot more effective (if slow).
There’s a reason so many big business interests want to break up the EU.
Damage@feddit.it 9 months ago
Shouldn’t it be the same in the US with state and federal governments?
rtxn@lemmy.world 9 months ago
All of the states are owned by one of the same two political parties, and their respective goals are more or less aligned on a state-by-state level, bordering on zealotry.
cynar@lemmy.world 9 months ago
America is, effectively a monoculture. At least in the UK, there is more variance in accents over 100 miles than over all of the US. The EU has a wide selection of languages and cultures, all with deep histories and quirks. Methods that work in 1 culture will be insulting in another. America is practically setup for mass deployment of propaganda and industrial
bribery, sorry lobbying.thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
The US was originally more like the EU but it federalized pretty hard after the civil war.
calavera@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Brazil also has a similar law called LGPD, I think it was made based on European GDPR
Gabu@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Actually, and I’m quite proud of this, the LGPD was already being discussed before the EU’s GDPR. It may not look like it, but Brazil is at the forefront of digital protection and privacy.
Oneobi@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yah, I just get Google to block these sites from ever being recommended again.
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Because they can’t do whatever they want here
Saneless@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Is
briberypolitical donations not a thing in Europe?
echodot@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Because the US is controlled by corporations
Asia for the most part doesn’t care
Australia is run by right wing nut jobs
New Zealand is quiet so they probably do do something like this but we haven’t heard about it.
Japan is Japan. Civil rights isn’t really a thing.
And China and Russia love invasion of privacy it’s basically the entire basis of their countries.
Ixoid@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Well actshually… Australia used to be run by right-wing nutjobs. The current mob in power are centrist nut jobs.
Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The power behind the throne in Australia is still right wing but jobs and corporations
Obi@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
I feel like Australia and New Zealand is kind of like England and Scotland in that sense.
WiseMoth@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I am generally curious what you mean by centrist nut jobs. Isn’t the whole point of the centre to be somewhere in the middle and therefore the best of both worlds that everyone has something in common with?
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 9 months ago
There is no “best of both worlds” when one side wants you to be a fucking slave. Wake up, dummy.
PickTheStick@ttrpg.network 9 months ago
I’m really curious (as I’m not living there) what the difference is. Is it just their religious tendencies? Or is it their feelings towards the nebulous “other” that defines them?
Cypher@lemmy.world 9 months ago
In Australia there are two major political parties, Labor and Liberals.
Liberals does not mean what it does in the US, they are the right wing party, who are in a coalition with the Nationals party which is even further right wing.
Labor is now centre-right as they kept running on centre-left policies and losing.
The defining difference between the parties on the domestic front are that Labor supports and Liberals oppose
Social safety nets
Universal medical care
Taxation of corporations
On a foreign policy front they parties are broadly aligned however their stance on how to deal (interact) with China is vastly different, where Labor engages the Liberals attack China endlessly which resulted in a trade war which we’re still feeling the effects of.
This is a very shallow examination of Australia’s political landscape but I’m not a political commentator.
abrasiveteapot@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I would like to point the RWNJs finally got voted out in Oz last year (federal and most states). Of course Murdoch and co. are working hard to reverse that, but semi sane leadership is in place for at least a year or two more.
cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 9 months ago
You forgot Africa, South America, Canada, Greenland(?).
rasmus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Greenland is a part of Denmark so in the EU
Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Well yes, but actually no. Greenland is part of Denmark, which is in the EU, but Greenland is not in the EU.
LwL@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I also had to look this up but Greenland is not in the EU
JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Africa is still developing so data privacy is the least of their concerns. They’re focusing on creating stable corruption free governments that don’t undergo a coup or civil war every 5 years, and having a hell of a time with that.
thecrotch@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Africa is an enormous continent, it contains 53 different countries and what you said is only true of a handful of them.
I don’t blame you, I blame the eurocentric educational system and news media.
Gabu@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If by “having a hell of a time with that” you mean “the US loves shutting down developing nations”, absolutely.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
China and Russia are dictatorships meaning they do whatever the fucknthey like and if you don’t like it you might become suicidal.
Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 9 months ago
As with most things in the US, California has similar laws to the gdpr (though admittedly not as powerful), so a lot of websites are starting to change a bit in the US because of california.