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Comment on YOU HAVE HURT THE FEE-FEES OF THE CHINESE PEOPLE!1!!!
arotrios@kbin.earth 18 hours ago
Challenge accepted.
Mao was a rapist as bad as Trump.
Yep, kids too. And on top of that, he was just fucking gross
Oh, almost forgot... Taiwan is not China, Hong Kong deserves independence, and FREE FUCKING TIBET ALREADY.
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wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 10 hours ago
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au 1 hour ago
That site is made by a notorious MAGA grifting “documentary” film maker.
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
I seriously cannot find any sources on the rape stuff aside from yours.
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au 1 hour ago
That site is made by a notorious MAGA grifting “documentary” film maker.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
That’s because it’s a lie. Because capitalists have to lie about socialism or we’d all be socialists.
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
I feel like we would have heard it a billion times already if it were true, lol.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
I miss when nazis were scared.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 10 hours ago
Are you seriously calling him a nazi for citing facts about Mao?
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
facts
Easily debunked propaganda isn’t the same thing as facts.
See Cowbees well-sourced effort comment in reply to the racist Nazi shitbag TLC.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
that’s on us.
logi@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
This is true, but absurdly out of context
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
Regarding your source for the claim of Mao as a sex abuser, The Private Life of Chairman Mao by Li Zhisui, here’s what Wikipedia has to say:
Several people have questioned the authenticity of the book. Li’s memoirs were not based on original records or personal diaries. During the Cultural Revolution, he burnt all of his original diaries and, as such, the book was based on restructured memories which might be wrong or fallible as Li’s collaborator, Anne Thurston, admitted.[14] Historian Frederick Teiwes accused Li of being “anti-Mao”.[15] According to Tai Hung-chao, who was the translator of the book, Random House, the company which published the book, wanted to add more “juicy bits” to the book such as Mao’s sex life in order to attract a larger readership.[15] Li disagreed with this line of approach, but eventually gave in to it.[15] A statement protesting that many of the claims made in Li’s book were false was issued soon after its publication, signed by 150 people who had personally known or worked with Mao, including Wang Dongxing, Li Yinqiao and Ye Zilong.
The about this site section of factsanddetails.com is also especially concerning:
I am not professor or an expert on the subjects I write about but I have done a fair amount of reading about them. I try to use good sources (see below) and have been doing what I am doing—collecting and organizing information and facts— for some time and feel I have developed some skill at it. The text is written in factoid style generally using language found in travel guides, magazines and newspapers rather than academic journals. I don’t have footnotes and bibliographies but I often list sources at the end of the facts or under the first fact under each subheading. When a source is not listed the information: 1) can be taken to be a generally accepted fact (often seen in at least two different places); 2) has been arrived at through observation (direct or second hand through other sources) or by common sense; or 3) was taken from a newspaper or magazine article that didn’t attribute it.
In other words, hearsay is totally fine and allowable information.
When I started this project in the 1990s I used mostly print sources such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Daily Yomiuri (a Japanese newspaper), The Times, National Geographic, Smithsonian magazine, The New Yorker, Time, Newsweek, U.S. News and World Report, The Guardian, Atlantic Monthly, Archeology magazine, Natural History magazine, news services used by these periodicals such Reuters, Associated Press and AFP, information from national tourist offices, tourist brochures I have picked up from places I have visited, Lonely Planet Guides, other travel guides, Compton’s Encyclopedia and various books and other publications.
In other words, near-exclusively western media, with no alternative perspectives whatsoever.
When I started this project I was living in the Washington D.C. area and called every embassy and national tourist office and asked them to send all the information they had—and started with that. Later, I collected the newspapers, magazines and books that I listed above and every few months spent an entire day cutting them up and putting them in piles based on country or topic and put the piles into boxes with previous piles, ending up with about half a room full of article-filled boxes. The piles of articles used so far for China and Japan alone, when added all together, would probably exceed three or four meters in height. It is a crazy system I know but is ultimately easier, more comprehensive and reliable than relying totally on Google searches.
In other words, the site maintained lived in the heart of the US, and found sources directly from the US state department.
As for Taiwan, their own self-described title is the Republic of China, who do not claim independence from the mainland but instead sovereignty as the self-percieved legitimate government of the mainland as well as Taiwan. Saying “Taiwan is not China” is actually against Taiwanese identity. The question isn’t whether or not Taiwan is Chinese, but whether the government in Taiwan or Beijing is the legitimate government of China.
As for Hong Kong, as of 2019 (the latest polling) only 17% want independence from the mainland. Hong Kong was already freed from British colonialism, and has now been returned to China as the era of colonialism has ended.
There’s no actual polling data concerning Tibet that I can find. However, prior to the intervention of the PLA, Tibet was a feudal slave society with rampant sex abuse.
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. [22]
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.” [23] Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. [24]
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away. [25]
zeejoo@thelemmy.club 17 hours ago
The tankies are coming in hot with wikipedia sources. It’s also fucking hilarious that you’re like "I can’t disprove tibet wants independence so I’ll just call them all savages and pedophiles while sourcing the sketchiest website in history. Bro get Maos micropenis out of your mouth and stop licking boots.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
I don’t like Wikipedia as a source, but it’s generally accepted as the standard for liberal academia. If a source criticizing communism or communist figures is disputed even among Wikipedia, then it isn’t a good source, most likely.
As for the bit on Tibet, I’m fully capable of admitting when I do not know something, unlike the person I replied to. However, I said the exact opposite of calling Tibetans “savages and pedophiles.” I called the feudal slavers as such, just like I would be comfortable calling the plantation owners of the south pedophiles and torturers. Dr. Michael Parenti painted the Tibetan serfs not as pedophiles and savages, but as people with their own agency in actively opposing their own torture:
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs.
As for the site I linked, it’s not the source. You can read the source on Duke University’s website, I just linked the site I did because I prefer to link text over PDFs. Dr. Michael Parenti isn’t some random person, but was a university professor and academic.
I have no idea why you attacked me with homophobia at the end, certainly you’re capable of insulting me without resorting to bigotry.
yucandu@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation
That sounds a lot like what Amnesty International is saying that China is doing to the Uighurs today:
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
you’re a cancer
Used to be you actually had to scratch the Liberals…
Fuck you and your fascist instinct to dehumanize anyone providing information that creates a cognitive dissonance against your billionaire funded narratives.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The crazy thing is they are the same people who are the first to complain about living under capitalism on places like r/antiwork. Everyone can see that capitalism is the problem, yet so many people have a diamond-hard mental wall up against the idea that the capitalists might lie about their biggest enemies.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
People will really believe the sketchiest, most clearly NED influenced sites blindly if it means confirming their preconceived notions.
yucandu@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
The only people that think China and the West are enemies are the Chinese people, because the Chinese leadership has to keep telling them that while they reap all the profits of their labour.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
Sometimes I forget that Americans exist. Then people like you pop up and remind me.
The United States government, since the mid-1800s, and especially since their pets committed genocide in china in the 1940s, has spent more money spreading sinophobia than on propaganda against any other nation. www.jstor.org/stable/48823948
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on Ukraine and Palestine. Im certain they are sane.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 hours ago
I want a one state solution where Palestine is free. I want the war in Ukraine to end, with self-determination for the people in Donetsk and Luhansk and an end to the lives lost.
yucandu@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
with self-determination for the people in Donetsk and Luhansk
They killed all the people who wanted to remain in Ukraine.
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
FREE FUCKING TIBET ALREADY
Mao already did, ShitLib. The Lamas will not be getting their slaves back no matter how many white people they con into crying about it.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Challenge accepted.
Goes on English posting site
Shakes fist at Foreign county
Posts low-key racist memes
Nobody in China knows or cares
We did it
RedditLemmy!EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
Please explain the racism part.
No really, if it’s racist, I don’t want to further racism, and would like to know how it’s racist.
Voixe2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 minutes ago
Damn, lotta nazis in this bar wtf
Cartoon bear has yellow fur, so comparing an Asian person has some racial connotation in the same way as an old dude pointing at African Americans and saying “blacks”
arotrios@kbin.earth 17 hours ago
It's not. The commentator above is just using Israeli style conflation to attempt to dismiss any critique of the Chinese government as racist against Chinese.
Side note: For the record, I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally.
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
Okay, but if someone drew Netanyahu like a Jewish caricature, that’d be racist.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
That would be like saying depicting Netanyahu as a hook-nosed goblin is merely criticizing Israel. The reason it’s seen as racist to depict Xi as a yellow bear should not be difficult to put together.
Glide@piefed.ca 16 hours ago
It’s not.
Tankies like to argue that comparing Xi Xiping to Winnie the Pooh is racist because Winnie the Pooh is that off orange-yellow colour, and it’s easy to pretend racism starts and ends at vague commentary about skin colour and not, you know, power structures and oppression.
But it’s an argument of convinience, brought to you by the same people who scream “ReAd ThEoRy!!” when obscure, specific and often misunderstood academic understandings of complex political systems are more useful to their mental gymnastics.
What actually matters is that it upsets a dictator of one of the most powerful countries of the world. And fuck that guy in particular.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
But it’s an argument of convinience, brought to you by the same people who scream “ReAd ThEoRy!!” when obscure, specific and often misunderstood academic understandings of complex political systems are more useful to their mental gymnastics.
What actually matters is that it upsets a dictator of one of the most powerful countries of the world. And fuck that guy in particular.
Am I reading this correct, you’re saying it does not matter if it’s racist, merely that it upsets the target?
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
If you don’t see how comparing the leader of an Asian country to a yellow cartoon bear is racist, then you yourself are probably irredeemably racist.
But on the off chance you’re not: this is like when Trump posted the video of the Obama’s as apes. Does that help put it in perspective?
arotrios@kbin.earth 17 hours ago
Wow. Didn't expect it to work so fast. You ok, boo boo?
Malica@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Like crack for tankies
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
What was racist about any of that?
Catgrass@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Biased sources gtfo
yucandu@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
But the information is correct, despite any perceived bias of the people reporting it.
Catgrass@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
It’s a shame they don’t teach media literacy
NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Wait I thought everyone on Lemmy were communists. Thank god
measureyoucanpleasure@piefed.social 10 hours ago
gross
relatable … til i’m basically mao (born wrong)
measureyoucanpleasure@piefed.social 10 hours ago
He claimed he needed the waters of yin — or vaginal secretions — to supplement his own declining yang — or male essence, the source of his strength, power and longevity.
fr fr
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
I can find this literally nowhere, lol. Is there any reputable source on this?
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au 1 hour ago
So you link to a website made by a guy who makes films to support Trump, MAHA, anti-vax (including the false link to autism), and about a million other MAGA propaganda “documentaries” with a bunch of notable names in the medical, financial, and social right wing grifter sphere.
Jesus fucking christ.