Comment on most perverted men are actually very vanilla and run away when faced with a perverted woman

StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  As a straight dom male, I can tell you that the inverse is also true. Straight sub women routinely want me to do stuff that isn’t BDSM and is actual abuse. I blame the 50 shades of grey series at least in part for that.

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  • StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    For sure. All of my friends in the community HATE 50 Shades of Grey

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  • GhostFace@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Straight sub women routinely want me to do stuff that isn’t BDSM and is actual abuse.

    Give some examples?

    I have very few restrictions when it comes to someone getting physical with me as long as it’s not permanent. I have found plenty of doms lacking because they express discomfort in rougher kinks. Light bruising is not abuse for example although you should probably take your time and get to know me well enough so that you trust I’m not crazy and that I won’t tell people you’re battering me.

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      One lady wanted me to choke her till she passed out. Another lady wanted a bag over her head. Another asked me to “punch me and leave bruises while I cum.” I could go on, but honestly it’s kinda disturbing. Then there are the people that confuse CNC with straight up rape. Rape fantasy is one thing. Asking me to organize a CNC “home breakin” with people that you specifically don’t know and have never met isn’t something I would have any idea how to do safely.

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      • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Someone keept telling me about how they wanted me to do CNC stuff, and I pretty much felt nauseous at hearing that shit.

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Oh dear god do not do the donkey punch, no no no no, noooooo.

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      • GhostFace@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The first few are fine?

        The last one is where I would draw the line, even if it involved vetting people off of fetlife.

        There’s a difference between hard doms and soft doms. It sounds more like you’re the second and I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Some of us genuinely enjoy being hit and choked and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. It means we trust you enough to even ask at all. If it’s not something you enjoy or feel comfortable doing that is also fine.

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    • StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      This gave me a bit of a giggle because I used to know a real one that will show off their work. Not as a trophy or anything, more like, “This is how bruised I’m willing to make someone.”

      All pictures were taken from the neck down and with consent.

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  • FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This unfortunately, too real. It’s really unfortunate that it’s gotten bad for both genders,

    And I’m a straight dom male, I’m very chill but, a lot of women into things that make me nope out

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• captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yeah, as a lesbian sub I’ve noticed one big problem facing straight male subs is a lot of dominant women interested in men get burnt out of the community by bad experiences pretty quickly.

  I think it’s partly that yeah ime a lot of dominant straight women are looking for someone masculine, competent, and submissive, while the men tend to be looking more for degradation and caretaking, and neither group seems to be great at finding compromise, and the men often don’t notice what the women are looking for.

  But also, bad subs abound. And it’s not just men. I used to switch, but bad experience not related drove me away from it, and around the time I was considering dominance again a submissive woman violated my boundaries to the point IDK if I’ll ever be comfortable domming again. I’ve watched other women have similar experiences with one friend have a string of male subs make her decide to look for submissive men in the non kink scene.

  And yeah, what I’ve seen of the feminization types is a real mix of yikes and eggs. Even if I were into men, domming, and feminization I’d be hesitant to get into that can of worms.

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What’s a bad sub or dom if I may ask

    Be spesific

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Being specific is hard because it’s just a category of being a bad partner, and as such there’s plenty of ways to do it lol.

      I’ll start by giving a quick overview on how to be a good kink partner: respect boundaries and know your own, communicate and listen, build skills appropriate for your role and interests (you can learn more by talking to people into that interest in the community, especially in the other role, and learning both sides even if you only want to do one is encouraged), know what you want and don’t want, but be open to what you’re not sure about, and in general just try to see everyone in the community as full people, not just as [role]. And for that last one, I really can’t emphasize enough how much better you come off if you have friends across roles and genders, but also the people you’re compatible with are just people, don’t put them into their role until you’ve discussed it and agreed to it.

      A lot of the worst experiences involve people who have personality disorders that aren’t sufficiently dealt with for relationships to be a good idea. All of the really bad subs I was thinking of in my comment had borderline personality disorder and had not undergone dbt. They were all also kinda looking for a partner to fix them. But also the domme that got pushed away had bpd, but had underwent years of treatment and had developed healthy habits and understanding of her limits.

      So for some specific bad behaviors. Boundary pushing is big. If someone says no or gives an excuse, that means no unless clearly negotiated with a safeword to replace the no. Attempting to negotiate someone’s boundaries or to guilt them into something they’re not interested in is very bad. Overdependance on someone is bad, especially when they don’t agree to it. Your dominant (or submissive) isn’t your therapist they’re somewhere between romantic partner and fuckbuddy, and you should know where you stand (if you don’t know, talk about it with them).

      Now for just general bad form things, they’re more akin to being a bad lay. Dominants being overconfident and doing things they aren’t skilled enough to do without giving a heads up (plenty of experienced subs will agree to be a practice dummy to someone they trust, but it’s often not cool to try something the first time without saying so). Subs that come in with a checklist of things they expect from a scene rather than presenting a menu of options and limits and letting the dom construct a scene out of it. Related are the subs who can’t let go of control in a scene after asserting that that’s what they want (if you say it’s what you want but you’re unsure you’re able that’s a different story). The inverse also sucks, subs who don’t know what they’re interested in or what their limits are (and “no limits” is neither true nor appreciated). Subs who neither have skills nor interest in building them. People who jump right into roles without talking about it.

      In general new people are given a lot of grace and so long as it’s not overt consent violations the worst a new person will need to do is apologize when corrected and try to do better.

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  • MartianRecon@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There’s also a spectrum for sub guys. From what I’d like to call ‘compliant’ to ‘doormat.’

    Some want a guy who’s confident, strong, typical male traits, but lets her decide things and pick stuff. Other side of that is the ones who want to be property.

    Idk. Lining shit up in the kink spaces is so damned hard that it’s harder than finding even regular relationships.

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  • plyth@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    a submissive woman violated my boundaries to the point IDK if I’ll ever be comfortable domming again.

    This sounds like a paradox. How is that possible? What would be a tame example of the sub crossing the boundaries of the dom?

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Repeatedly treating my stated boundaries as an opening point for negotiations. Emotional manipulation. Lies. Frequent demands of my time and energy claiming it was an emergency and harm would come to her without assistance. Making every hard no an opportunity to beat herself up and every soft no a drawn out negotiation.

      The fact is she’s very good at all that and I wasn’t the last person in the community to be victimized by her (I was one of the first, and I was very open about it afterwards).

      I accept that I didn’t maintain my boundaries nearly as well as I should have, it’s something I’ve always struggled with, and I have a hard time saying no to a person requesting help from me. I still have occasional nightmares of running into her. I still feel ridiculous being victimized like that.

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      • plyth@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Thanks for sharing. Sounds like the submissive role had a twist. I think there is no shame in feeling compelled to help.

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  • sharkweek@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yup, gotta say that it took a few years after being a pro with men that I felt any urge to domme … and now I’m looking for a compatible fem sub I’m not keeping my hopes up

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Oof yeah from what I’ve seen pros typically get really jaded, and that tends to either screw with their desire to dom or get them weird about it. Which like makes perfect sense from everything I’ve seen and heard.

      And yesh finding a compatible partner can be very difficult. I lucked out and on my first date with my wife told her that part of what I wanted from life was lifestyle power exchange and she’d never even realized that was what she wanted.

      But yeah in addition to compatibility issues, I’ve noticed over the years that a lot of subs are just awful at selling themselves to dommes.

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      • sharkweek@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        You really lucked out there!

        It’s funny, I tried to explain to my wife on our first date and she totally didn’t understand the concept of BDSM … to her it was something baddies did on TV.

        Yet we settled into lifestyle D/s everywhere apart from the bedroom, lol

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• KuroiKaze@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I agree with most of the comments and sentiments in this thread. Being a male switch I’ve seen all sides of things and the bad actors abound regardless of declared genders.

  The big line between pleasure subs and service doms is a large one. Getting bound up and teased and used is a far cry from being someone’s table or maid.

  Media definitely sets a lot of bad expectations but occasionally one strikes gold and the magic makes you not give up.

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• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I am a guy who is a genuine switch.

  I’ve only ever met a single female switch, and she was literally a diagnosed nymphomaniac.

  I’ve met other guy switches, uncommon but not too uncommon… never ever met another female switch.

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  • ContactClosure@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Thank you for posting this. I am 99.9% sure I am a switch (M) but I’ve been dominated for exactly 5 minutes of my life bc every other partner I’ve had (F so far) was 99% sub.

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    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yeah, by far most women I’ve met are some flavor of sub. Sometimes they’re confused and say they’re something else, spend at least a few weeks to months with them… nope, they’re subs.

      Then, a fair number of woman are genuine doms of some kind, and know it.

      But a woman switch? Who not only can, but has to switch the power dynamics, who can’t help themselves from doing that?

      Yeah, at least in my experience, about as common as a shiny pokemon.

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• SalamiDommie@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Spectrum? I am going to say more like a switch board. It is hard to get all of those connections aligned, and even in vanilla relationships I don’t think anyone ever does.

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• Folstar@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I would agree that kink is a spectrum, or axis. Specifically, it’s the Z-axis to the masculine/feminine attraction (“gay-straight” but generalized) X-axis and sexual intensity (aka, horniness level) Y-axis. That’s right, we’re going 3D.

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  • hansolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s a 27-axis graph, with each axis being a spectrum. It’s 27 dimensions of sexy times.

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    • blargh513@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      This is the correct answer. Within even one seemingly narrow kink, there are so many flavors of it.

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    • lb_o@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Biblically accurate sexuality graph :3

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      • Furbag@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        BE NOT AFRAID 📉👁📈

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      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You really don’t wanna go there, because it involves both donkeys and pedophilia as axes.

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  • MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This is exhilarating. Get excited!

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• thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  queers are kinky in more based ways usually :3

  life goals: queer kinky polycule

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