You know what does improve society? Open, wanton violence against the lower classes by the wealthy without any repercussions whatsoever. 🙂↕️
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nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Violence and threats of it do not improve society. Don’t normalize this Trumpian lawless behavior.
Mac@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
homes@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
not with these piddly, passant efforts, but mass, violence has often accomplished mass civil change for the better!
The French Revolution (1789) — Violent overthrow of the monarchy and aristocracy dismantled feudalism and established the principle of popular sovereignty, which reverberated across Europe for a century.
The American Revolution (1775–1783) — Armed insurrection against British rule produced one of the first modern constitutional republics.
The Haitian Revolution (1791–1804) — The only successful slave revolt in history, producing the first Black republic and striking a massive blow against the Atlantic slave trade.
The Glorious Revolution (1688) — Though relatively brief, it involved armed invasion and overthrow of James II, producing constitutional monarchy and the English Bill of Rights.
Viva la Revolution!
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
- Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864): ~30 million deaths, mostly civilian
- American Civil War (1861–1865): about 620,000 soldiers died; disease accounted for a very large share. Deadliest war in U.S. history. Society has arguably still not recovered.
- Rwandan genocide / civil war context (1994): ~800,000 killed in roughly 100 days, with extreme neighbor-on-neighbor violence ("they’re eating the cats!")
- Syrian civil war (2011–present): 300k+ civilian deaths … so far
- Sudan civil war (2023–present): 13 million refugees, widespread hunger, health-system collapse
What made them catastrophic?
*Violence spread into civilian life. * This meant famine, disease, refugees, and economic ruin kill civilians disproportionately.
homes@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
if your argument is that wars are destructive and problematic… eh.. heh.. nobody on earth, ever, will debate that. I don’t know what you’re trying to win there, but.. eh…
anyway, still, even with the lost civil wars among those (a couple?) they were all worth fighting, (most because they were won).
Not sure what your point was, but, ultimately, your post backs up my point, so thanks!
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
That’s easy to say for the living, and for people who have never witnessed this kind of shit first hand.
I’m not the person you’ve been replying to, and I share your concerns, and the belief that we are rapidly running put of options. But I’m not comfortable making such sweeping chipper statements about this stuff when I’ve been privileged enough to never experience it.
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
You’re just confused about violence.
It’s violent to price people out of a dignified existence.
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
For those in the back:
DEPRIVATION
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Remember how healthcare denials went down for months after that United Healthcare executive was killed?
brown567@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
As far as the trolley problem goes, whoever killed the guy objectively preserved more lives by doing so
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What do you mean “whoever killed the guy,” everyone knows it was Sam Hyde.
athatet@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
If we do the violence and the threats to the people fucking us then it absolutely will help society.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Since when is Scam Altman on Lemmy??
glitchdx@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Objectively false, and propaganda to preserve the sate’s monopoly on violence.
GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Apart from United Healthcare rescinding a policy to charge for anaesthetic if an operation goes slightly wrong after their CEO was shot?
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Enjoy your pacifistic ideals while getting teabagged by ICE, I guess
Tetragrade@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
becausechemistry@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Alternatively: what he is doing is causing immense suffering on a societal level and if he stopped doing it many people would live when they would otherwise die.
If the government is unable or unwilling to stop him, or even stop accelerating what he’s doing, then there are other options.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Then it’s time to vote in a new government.
Seriously, cool it with the violence-worship
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
It’s not worship. It’s a last resort, and these clowns are removing all other viable options.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Uh-huh. And Trump had no choice but to threaten to bomb Iran “to the stone age”.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
captain_solanum@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Give me one argument for that statement which cannot be equally applied to communism, anarchism or islamism by MAGA diehards to justify killing innocent people.
athatet@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
You should cool it with the voting out fascism worship.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Ah yes, like how Hitler was voted out. Why didn’t we think of that?!
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
What immense suffering is caused by LLMs?
Are you talking about the water and energy usage? Because that is more so caused by Capitalism than it is by technology.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
The majority of the people in my department were laid off this year and replaced with AI. The AI is doing a terrible job, but it’s virtually free.
Art and music industries are also under intense pressure right now.
LLM’s are being used to replace quality and creativity with slop. It is the ultimate enshittifier for society right now, and the only ones profiting are the wealthy and powerful.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Yeah, and guns don’t kill people. People kill people!