Dude, all the Fallout community is is debate.
We’re just doing our favorite thing: picking a side and trying to solve a conflict between multiple factions.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
“I think fans debate what their favourite one is, which is understandable,” Howard says. “I think it’s great that you can have a lot of factions and the fans say, ‘Oh, I like one or two or three or four, or Vegas or 76’ now, and so I think that’s really healthy for a franchise where people can say which one is their favourite.”
I’m sure Todd’s head canon is that there’s more of a debate than there actually is.
VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
peopleproblems@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
That’s… Wait. That’s the whole premise of all the games dammit.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
im not sure what this comment is trying to get at, ive never seen a game franchise more debated than fallout. ive seen every game labelled as someones favorite, including that awful brotherhood of steel game
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Idk, The Elder Scrolls’ fandom debates a lot too. There’s still people fighting over whether the Stormcloaks or the Empire were right in Skyrim, or whether Morrowind or Oblivion are the best in the series
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
the civil war questline, even in its unfinished state, might be my favorite in any game due to the sheer amount of debating about it 15 years later
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Just about any game is someone’s favorite, but that doesn’t mean there’s a lot of debate. Fallout 4 and 76 appear to have reached an audience much larger than the rest of the series’ usual standards for copies sold, so the sense I get is that if you’re calling one of those your favorites, you most likely haven’t seen most of the rest of the series. I think 3 and 4 get a lot of criticism that may go too far, but the long and short of it is that the consensus is that Bethesda’s entries are not among the strongest in the series.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
that may be your opinion but ive seen people who love fo3 but cant get into new vegas, who love 4 but cant get into 3 or new vegas, who love 76 because its online multiplayer and therefore not as big on the single player entries. theres endless debates about it. you may think its consensus but its not as clear cut as you think
hell theres fallout 1 purists who think that game is the ONLY fallout game
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I’ve been on gaming forums for a long time, and I honestly can’t recall a single time I saw anything resembling an actual debate that people might like 3 more than New Vegas. I have seen debates of 3 vs. 4 and New Vegas vs. 1/2, but I’ve never come across a debate between people who’ve played more or less the entire series and preferred Bethesda’s games. Maybe that’s you, but this would be the first time.
ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I’m not saying Metacritic is the end-all be-all, but it does confirm the most commonly held opinion about the popularity of the modern games. You may think that there is a real debate here but that just isn’t the case. 4 and 76 are pretty firmly the less well received of these games.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Tactics was fun.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Agree but I wish it was more like the newer XCOM games.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 12 hours ago
Makes you think of what could have been, if they’d done the new Fallouts as tactical/Turn Based RPGs, rather than first person shooters - although the new Wasteland games do a pretty good job of filling that niche.
warm@kbin.earth 14 hours ago
The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter. It doesn't mean it was a good game or something was done better (which is what Todd is looking for, validation), because some people liked it.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
then what is? because 3 new vegas and 4 are all pretty much critically acclaimed, so would we go based off sales then? because in that case the order would be 4 then 3 then new vegas
warm@kbin.earth 13 hours ago
That's the point, it doesn't matter. Enjoy any you want.
Todd just wants "his" Fallout games to be the most liked, to stroke his ego.
Also side note, sales never works as a metric because the gaming industry is constantly growing, any game released now sells much more than it ever would have 5, 10, 15, 20.. years ago. Regardless of quality.
Damage@feddit.it 11 hours ago
My opinion is that only 2 Fallout games were made: Fallout 1 and Fallout 2.
Fight me.
TaterTot@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Fight me.
Okay, sounds fun.
If we want to say there are more Fallout games than just 1 and 2, then we should probably admit that if Fallout 2 gets to sit at the “true Fallout” table, Fallout: New Vegas should probably get a chair too. A bunch of the original Black Isle developers who worked on Fallout 2 helped make it, and it continues the same regional story and factions. But then again, maybe having the Fallout 2 developers is not enough to make something “truly” Fallout. Maybe it is the isometric (actually skewed trimetric) view, classic CRPG style. Although once we open that can of radroaches, we get a whole new pile of questions.
So maybe we can swing the other direction entirely and say there are fewer “true” Fallout games, and that only Fallout 1 really qualifies. That does have some logic behind it, since the original creators, Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky, and Jason Anderson, left during Fallout 2’s development. Their absence shifted the tone, cranked up the pop culture jokes, added a ton of fluff dungeons and encounters, and gave us a more scattered writing experience thanks to the team being split up to work on different sections of the game (Tell me San Fran feels even remotely in the same universe as New Reno). But even then, Fallout 2 still uses the same engine and gameplay loop, so you could just as easily argue it stays true to the original formula.
But if we decide that gameplay matters more than the writing and development teams, then Fallout Nevada and Fallout Sonora belong on the list as well. They are fan-made, sure, but they run on the same engine and play almost exactly like Fallout 1 and 2. So now we are up to four “true Fallout games.” So our definition needs to rules those out to get back to “only 1 and 2”.
So maybe the fan-made games do not count because they are not official releases? But if it being an “official release” is the only rule, then Fallout 76 suddenly joins the “true Fallout” club too, which probably tells us that the bar has to be higher than that.
So if we say that a “true” Fallout game needs a mix of all the things above, like the original devs from the original studio working on the original engine with the original tone and the closest connection to the original story, then we come full circle and land right back where we started: Fallout 1 is the only true Fallout game.
No matter how I slice it, I can’t find a definition that only includes Fallout 1 and 2…
Delphia@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Tactics was great. I wish there were sequels to it.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
fallout shelter >
deacon@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
No one is seriously pushing 76 in that discussion.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
ive seen it. they are out there. its wild but its true
deacon@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
…
These are not serious people
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
oh theyre serious. 20k hours into the game, level 10,000. absolute madmen
LumiNocta@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Hi. I’m here
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
76 is a fun brainless Fallout multiplayer. I’d rather have a real Fallout MP instead of 76, but I can’t lie and had over 100hrs of fun.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
It’s absolutely fun with friends, we put in around that many hours and then haven’t played it much since, but for the $10 we paid. It was well worth it.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
A lot of folks really live 76. And it’s the only game in the series that offers them what they like, so why wouldn’t they?