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• chellomere@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  “the world”?

  If you came over to the other side of the pond, you’d find that most of Europe is still using milliard, billiard, trilliard etc.

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  • CitizenKong@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Anglocentrism strikes again!

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  • CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think that’s one thing that’s actually fine about the English language though. Constantly switching between something ending with “ion” to “iard” instead of just counting up doesn’t make much sense to me personally.

    Million (1A), Milliard (1B), Billion (2A), Billiard (2B) seems odd compared to Million (1), Billion (2), Trillion (3), Quadrillion (4)

    I suppose the upside is that you don’t have to learn as many prefixes, but it’ll take another few years of inflation and wealth centralization (at least with currencies like the Euro, Dollar, or Pound) until Quadrillion is relevant in the financial sector and Mathematicians generally use letters. I suppose it makes other natural sciences a tiny bit easier, but there it’s usually written in scientific notation anyways.

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    • Hoimo@ani.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The million-milliard system means a billion has double the zeroes compared to million, trillion has triple the zeroes, etc. In the English system, a quadrillion has 15 zeroes, so 4 times 3 plus 3? A quadrillion should have 4*6=24 zeroes.

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      • CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I must admit I still don’t see the point. Whether it’s double/triple/quadruple of a million or just 3*n+1 doesn’t seem to matter much. Of course it’d be better if a “thousand” was just called a “million” then, since that’d remove the +1, but the million milliard system doesn’t seem to have any notable advantages otherwise, especially considering every “iard” step is a .5 one, which isn’t much cleaner.

        1,000 -> 3x0+1 zeroes

        1,000,000 -> 3x1+1 zeroes

        1,000,000,000 -> 3x2+1 zeroes

        vs

        1,000,000 -> 1x6 zeroes

        (1,000,000,000 -> 1.5x6 zeroes)

        1,000,000,000,000 -> 2x6 zeroes

        (1,000,000,000,000,000 -> 2.5x6 zeroes)

        1,000,000,000,000,000,000 -> 3x6 zeroes

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  • warm@kbin.earth ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Crazy assumption.

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/milliard

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    • chellomere@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Crazy assumption. Yes, it’s true for the English speaking world, but it’s much more nuanced outside of it. Here’s a map from Wikipedia:

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales#/me…

      Keep in mind that your link to wiktionary only covers languages where it is spelled exactly “milliard”.

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• TeNppa@sopuli.xyz ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  When translating to Finnish it’s confusing sometimes: Billion = miljardi = 1 000 000 000 Trillion = biljoona = 1 000 000 000 000 Quintillion = triljoona = 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 You can tell how bad a news site is when they translate billion to biljoona and thus making the amount 1000 times higher.

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  • ryedaft@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You probably want double new lines in your posts. Or two spaces at the end of your paragraphs but that’s usually a bit annoying to do.

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    • TeNppa@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thanks! Forgot to do that. Now edited.

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    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Or just \ at the end, like so

      Texty text text \
      Text
      

      Becomes
      Like this

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      • ryedaft@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So you escape the newline and you get a newline? That’s some black magic voodoo. But hey if it works. Much simpler to handle than double space since you can see them and your phone doesn’t try to make them into period space instead of space space.

        Newlines with double space (or space backslash apparently) also let’s you have newlines in a quote block without exiting the block. I see a lot of people struggle with that on Lemmy. E.g.

        > A quote with multiple lines
        Will exit if you don't handle the newline
        

        will render as:

        A quote with multiple lines Will exit if you don’t handle the newline

        So you want to do

        > A quote with multiple lines \
        Will exit if you don't handle the newline
        

        A quote with multiple lines
        Will exit if you don’t handle the newline

        Or add space space at the end instead of space backslash.

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  • guy@piefed.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The long system with milliard and billiard increases with every potens which makes sense. The short system on the other hand 🤷

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    biljoona

    Heh that’s a funny word.

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  hating on milliardaries doesn’t feel as impactful and cathartic.

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  • Rothe@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Again, anglocentrism strikes. Your feeling is strictly based on your personal experience with your own words. It is like when Americans claim fahrenheit is more for humans than celsius, because they are unable to fathom things they have no experience with.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      i’m not from the us, and the word for billionaire is almost the same in my language.

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  • markz@suppo.fi ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think that’s just not being used to it.

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