Addiction doesn’t really care about this kind of logic.
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BootyEnthusiast@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Dude needs to stop playing predatory gacha games.
I don’t understand people who WILLINGLY install that shit. They KNOW how they work and are monetized. And unlike gambling at a casino, there’s zero chance of you being up money at any point.
ech@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
gambling isn’t an addiction, it’s a lifestyle.
Rooskie91@discuss.online 2 days ago
Professionals disagree with you.
Like it’s in the definition lol.
Gambling An Addictive Behavior with Health and Primary Care Implications
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
what’s next are you gonna claim thigh highs can be addictive? this has the same vibe as “water is addictive” or “you have an oxygen addiction”.
TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
addictions counselor here, can confirm Rooskie91 has a pretty accurate response
I’m guessing where you get caught up is in the fact that it’s a behavioral addiction , right?
well the medical community isn’t far off. gambling disorder is only now just starting to become recognized as an addiction. there’s trouble too, because “addiction” isn’t an appropriate medical term anymore – it’s “substance use disorder” which encompasses a much wider range of problematic behaviors. and yet! if someone comes in with primary Dx Gambling Disorder, we can’t bill that as SUD services because it’s technically not a substance lol
behavioral addictions are very similar in how they work and how they’re treated. tbh the main difference is just the lack of risk from acute intoxication / withdrawal. gambling disorder can and does completely ruin lives.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Gambling forms addiction in the same way as social media. It forms skinner boxes of sorts.
EvilEdgelord@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
[deleted]Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
That feels an awful lot like saying opiates are fine just don’t get addicted. It’s easy to say when you aren’t susceptible, but clearly some people are and it’s not very productive to be dismissive of the primary way they make money.
NIB@lemmy.world 3 days ago
A better comparison would be alcohol. Many of people consume alcohol but very few people become alcoholics. Maybe it is genetic predisposition or environmental/mental factors that lead people to abusing it.
Similarly with gachas, millions of people play them as free to play, without ever spending money. A lot of people spend 10-20€ a month and very few people spend hundreds or thousands of euro every month.
As far as honkai star rail is concerned, i enjoy the story, environments, music and the characters and i recommend it. You dont need to spend and you can do everything(or miss like 5% of the rewards, if you dont want to tryhard) without ever spending money.
The main selling point of the game is the story and you can do that with any characters. If you dont want to participate in the endgame, you can ignore it. Ultimately it is a singleplayer turned based “rpg”, though it is actually just an anime+idle game. Every 40 days, you get a new episode/season.
ech@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
You can still be addicted, even of you don’t shotgun a dime.
trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I think there may be a slight difference between doing heroin and playing a video game where you get anime girls by chance.
steeznson@lemmy.world 3 days ago
They are not a great analogy because they at least have a legit use in medicine.
That said, not really sure what the best analogy for SAAS slot machines would be. Even playing them for free you still have the sensation of pulling down on the device (phone screen/machine lever) and then the “spin” with variable rate rewards.
Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
They do, but given everything Purdue’s done I felt it was fitting. Fine as a concept, awful when the sole goal is extracting money.
papalonian@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Because your top level comment makes sense while the rest of your replies devolved into a caps-locked crash out. Now I’m more convinced you’re 14.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t understand people who WILLINGLY install that shit
The ads are everywhere and the games are often F2P - no barrier to download or install. Excellent for hooking younger kids, especially ones whose parents can’t or won’t give them access to the old fashioned games.
And unlike gambling at a casino, there’s zero chance of you being up money at any point.
Arguably the singular upside. You can coast in a Gacha game without losing a ton of money a lot longer than you’ll last in Vegas.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Exactly. I have been gaming for decades, yet I never played any of these. Only heard of WOW out of all the names, no idea what the rest are.
It is possible to spend your money on games that provide the entertainment you’re looking for, but not exploit you.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Gacha?
reev@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
All (or most, don’t recognize some) of these are gacha games. You get characters by participating in essentially a slot machine (hence the name “pulling”), more or less. The more powerful characters have lower odds. You can do dailies for pulls or you can spend money to pull more often.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Huh, that sounds like shit. Why would anyone play that?
I know when Factorio introduced quality some people complained it was like gambling, but in Factorio its done at a level where probability just averages out. I want a rare shiny iron plate and 2% of the time I will get one. So if I make 25,000 iron plates per minute I will be getting 500 rare shiny plates a minute.
Xabis@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Why do people gamble? Because that’s what this is.
The companies don’t even care about the average player. They are trying to hook rich people with more money then sense, aka whales.
A long time ago the industry realized an extremely small percent blows way more money than all the others combined.
If you ever played a game with any kind of monitization and asked yourself why everything is $40 and how the average player can afford it, this is why.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 3 days ago
I was going to say YEAH! but then remembered I was addicted to World of Warcraft from 2006 to 2017 and then
relapsedstarted playing again in 2019 after WoW classic came out and every now and then something wriggles in my brain to say you should sign up again, it’ll be funJesus_666@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I played Arknights for a bit because there’s actually a pretty solid tower defense game in there. There’s not a big selection of good games for Android and I wanted something I could play when I have no laptop with me.
Unfortunately the good gameplay is buried under tons of attention hogging gacha bullshit.
I stopped playing once I realized that I was spending more time doing chores than actually playing through interesting content. Also, while the BGM is nothing short of lavish, the presentation of the story is like a very cheap VN, which basically killed any hope of getting engaged in the story or the characters.
I didn’t spend much more than maybe twenty bucks on it so it’s not too bad given the partially solid gameplay. But yeah, I’m done with live service bullshit games.
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I think of them as “Gotcha!” games, cause their point is to trick you.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I think that’s where the term gacha comes from. A japanization of the term gotcha.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
No, “gacha” comes from “gashapon,” the crank vending machines, and the name is an onomatopoeia. “Gacha” (or “gasha”) is the sound of the crack being turned, and “pon” is the sound of the capsule dropping out.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
For forever I thought that was the correct spelling and the entire point