Not to be controversial, but genocide is bad
Comment on ghibli posting
flamingsjack@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Maybe an unpopular opinion here, but I feel like posting AI-generated ghibli-style pictures is hugely disrespectful to Miyazaki and all the values he stand for. Miyazaki said once he feels “AI Art” is an “insult to life itself” - and I have to agree, since it strips all the human element art is supposed to represent
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not to be obvious, but bears shit in woods
kieron115@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
Bears, beets, battlestar galactica
boonhet@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
That one IS a controversial opinion unfortunately.
ChaoticCookie@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
We can simultaneously agree that what’s happening is bad and disrespectful, and still find it funny :3
echolalia@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Ok… but is the picture art??? I don’t think anyone would try to argue it is, even if a human drew it. Miyazaki was specifically talking about how no algorithm can produce art, and I agree.
What makes this screenshot funny is the human element, the performance! It’s all ridiculous.
Glorified Matrix Algebra: [Presents an image of a caked-up gnome] Internet goblin: “Make it’s butt even bigger.” Glorified Matrix Algebra: “Sorry, that’s a bridge too far for me.”
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Is the original image art? Who’s to say.
But turn that image into a meme and it does become art. And that’s wonderful.
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
(The original image absutely is art)
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
- he said that about any ai art though and he is right.
- he didn’t say it was an insult to him
- This is a ai generated gnomes butt on a shitpost community, not art
Contemporarium@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
This is making fun of the fad. Calm down jeez
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Sounds to me like Miyazaki needs to lighten up.
DmMacniel@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Sounds to me that you need to become a bit more human and empathic.
ignotum@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
But daddy elon told me empathy was bad
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Come on. Public figures need to be able to deal with satire and mockery, and this isn’t even a deep cut. Besides, have you seen how Miyazaki treats his family? That man has no empathy or humanity to offer his peers either.
DmMacniel@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
No this ain’t about satire and mockery. This is about preserving human creativity.
Halosheep@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
You can’t be relaxed about things on lemmy, you have to have an anger boner about anything and everything. Especially if it’s what the groupthink™ has decided we have to hate here.
holdstrong@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
That quote is taken totally out of context
flamingsjack@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
youtu.be/ngZ0K3lWKRc is the original context. I’d say it fits what I said perfectly
kieron115@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
It’s been a bit since I saw the original behind the scenes vid or whatever it was, what was the context?
turnip@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Is digital art itself bad, because its not the human doing all of it?
Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Is it ableist to not define AI art as art, when handicapped people can’t perform the same actions?
Please reconsider this like of argument in the future, it just comes across as cynical using the disabled for arguments sake. There are plenty of blind/deaf/handicapped/motor impaired/etc people making art of various forms. Deaf musicians. Blind painters. Non-verbal writers.
What makes art, “art” is the human creativity of original thought and intrinsic meaning, even if it is derivative. A jazz beat sampled on a rap track is art because it has social/familial meaning - beat makers often unwittingly share their childhood memories listening to their parent’s music at home. A painter may be influenced by their surreal visions, or the war and horrors they witnessed.
Demdaru@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Art has soul in it. Ai has no soul.
The end. ^^
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Is digital art itself bad, because its not the human doing all of it?
It is bad primarily because it plagiarizes historical art in order to undermine the professional trade for future artists.
It forecloses art as a career, thereby depriving future generations of evolution in style and professional craft.
Gate keeping art is silly regardless
The gate being constructed fences off professional artists from the revenue their work produced. And in doing so, it defunds the schools and studios where professionals pass their craft from master to apprentice.
NMSGalacticHub@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It forecloses art as a career, thereby depriving future generations of evolution in style and professional craft.
I hate AI art too, but I don’t think it’s so bad as that. It’s terrible because it uses obscene energy and steals art. But that doesn’t mean anyone actually likes AI art (except people who make it and wish other people would like it).
If you tell me your “art” is AI, then I instantly lose interest (with very rare exceptions that generally use older types of AI, like MGMT’s “When You Die” music video"). Momentarily disregarding economic considerations, AI “art” is to real art as over-processed food is to whole-food, made-with-love meals. Will some people eat it, for whatever reason? Sure. But are Twinkies competing with fine dining? No. I’m interested in art for the relatable human element. If that’s emulated, then you can only hold my interest until that fact is revealed. AI artists can only be disinteresting or deceitful, there’s no third option.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
But that doesn’t mean anyone actually likes AI art
Anyone in the business of churning out media slop at high rates and low quality loves it.
Low budget advertisers, propagandists, and click bait influencers are its primary user base.
turnip@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
With tablets and software its easier than ever to produce and share art, it doesn’t have to be a job any more because its so easy to produce and share, so it becomes a leisure activity. Why protect jobs that don’t need to exist?
boonhet@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Yes but the question is whether it’s imagined newly by a human, or it comes from an algorithm that only works because it’s combining other people’s existing works.
Tablets and software made things easier for humans, AI just… Makes artists obsolete and if you do create something new, it’ll be ingested too.
I agree with you in the core principle that less work for more productivity is good, but I feel creative work is the one notable exception. We remember a bunch of paintings from centuries ago not because they’re beautiful to look at even, but because these particular artists have found interesting new ways to convey their view of the world or their feelings. AI generating a new version of a Van Gogh painting isn’t as impressive.
Ghibli movies, similarly, have a distinctive art style that reminds you of how these movies have been lovingly made by dedicated artists who poured their souls into it. Using AI to shit out random content with the same style is just blatant disrespect for everything they’ve done. You can use AI to clone paw patrol or something if you want. That’s a merch seller, not art.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
its easier than ever to produce and share art
Anyone who believes the transition from pencils and paper to high end computers and software has made art creation easier… Go compare the staff and budget required for the original Disney’s Snow White relative to the latest Pixar film.
And as to sharing, that’s where AI is extra obnoxious. On the one hand, you’re trying to make yourself heard in a wholly artificial cacophony of procedural generated spam. And the current iteration of The Algorithm favors AI, so even your hack favorites like Ben Garrison and Jon McNaughton have to compete with Shrimp Jesus.
It’s not a bad thing, we can create whatever art we want with ease
You cannot. You can make requests to a computer and it can approximate a result that you accept or reject. But you’re not making art, any more than walking up to a sketch artist, slapping down a $20, and saying “Draw a picture of me looking silly” is making art.
Let’s not paint that positive reality like a bad thing.
When the future of art is just a computer pumping out caricatures, because its cheaper than commissioning anyone with talent and experience to employ perspective or creativity or even just something beyond the sixteen pre-defined style choices, that’s pretty bleak.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I kinda came here to say this. It really doesnt feel right doing that to Miyazaki after all the passion he put into the world. This is a slap to the face no matter the context. It is against his every wish.
parody@lemmings.world 3 weeks ago
slap right in the disappointingly unreenlarged buns
(sorry)
VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
If a miserable old man wants to hatekeep an entire art style then he’s someone that I can safely and happily disrespect.
Rich people like him do not have feelings that matter, he’s wealthy enough to solve real problems but instead he protects his personal legacy and wealth.
Defend capitalism and try to increase the power of the wealthy if you like but I’ll always be on the side of people being free to express themselves regardless of the feelings of a rich old man.
Carbonizer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Where do you draw the line, exactly? AI-generated art doesn’t discriminate based on how wealthy the individual whose art it is copying is. Most artists aren’t wealthy. Their work is being stolen just as readily as Miyazaki’s. The fact that Miyazaki’s not using his wealth to help others is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
You know that thing our colelctive parents do when they want to win an argument so they just start attacking you for random things you did 6 years ago? That’s exactly what this person is doing.
Sl00k@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Just put the shitpost in the bag