I’ve learned from my female friends that the bar for men is so fucking low. Basically shower regularly, listen to what other people say, know how to keep your home relatively clean and don’t be a creep and you’re immediately in the top 30%
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RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
What the fuck is “low value men”? No one else can decide your value.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
you forgot the financial part
mholiv@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t think they did. The bar is pretty low and still apply if you’re poor or rich.
No need to bring incell culture here.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
6 figures, 6 feet, 6 inches is on a lot of people’s profiles.
Part of why there are so many idiots self assigning as incels is because we refuse to agree with them when it’s fair.
This shit culture perpetuates itself all over the gender spectrum.
xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
i’m bringing incel culture here? did you notice notice this is a post about “incel culture” from and incel?
besides, the notion that a financially unstable man has a hard time dating is not an incel concept… it’s just straight up reality.
i’ve even seen good reasoning regarding a woman’s risk of pregnancy vs a man’s risk….i could go on, but it’s a straight up fact that: no money -> no honey
and i do not blame women, i blame capitalism and patriarchy.
incidentally i actually met their hero, Elliot Rogers… aka, the incel school shooter….
he was very rich, his dad directed Hunger Games… aside from being a psychopathic piece of shit, incel has nothing to do with money, it’s about how they think they can’t get laid with their idolized tall blond woman without being a chad or whatever….tl;dr the bar is low but definitely includes financial stability… not wealth.
shalafi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve had sex with 50+ women in life, many way above my “value”, and most from when I was broke as fuck. Anyone that thinks it takes money to get laid is making excuses for something. And BTW, I’m 5’8" and 140lbs., a “manlet” I think I’m called?
As it turns out, I’m horny and a genuine human being. Women respond to that. (I also give good head. Write that down.)
xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
lol, yeah ok romeo.
i don’t think “it takes mone to get ‘laid’”.
i’ve never heard the term “manlet” before.
also, i give better head than you.
….
also bragging about 50+ women is pretty gross… and misogynistic…
women aren’t just expensive jizz rags.
Revan343@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
Incels are low value men…but not for the reason they think
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They choose to be low value when they get bitter about their assumption they are low value.
I’m glad I had someone I wasn’t attracted to pursuing me early on because it led to the realization that giving in to that bitterness would just seal my fate when I was feeling down about rejection. Part of the bitterness was wanting someone to say, “hey, no, that’s not the case” and date me to make me feel better, but from experiencing the other side of it, I knew there wasn’t anything she could have done to make me into anything other then friendship and the more she pushed, the less I’d be sympathetic, not the other way around.
Things didn’t turn around right away when I realized that, but it was an important part of the “don’t be unattractive” rule. There’s more to it, of course, but being whiney and bitter is pretty unattractive to most people, I’d guess.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s the attempt to understand dating through tech bro economics.
The look at supply/demand (swipes), and decide their value based on the demand of the “market” is.
It’s deranged
x00z@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
A “low value man” is a man that tries to decide another ones value.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
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Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They confided in each other that they both have low self esteem
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I dunno. my broke ass probably lol
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Imagine the world is a video game. Higher value characters of the race man would have things like a high earning job (a good class), a decent amount of wealth, high physical stats, high charisma. Low value characters would have a terrible class (smelly gamer), stats they believe are skewed towards intelligence, and no money.
If your world view is like this except you also believe there are hidden stats you can’t ever change(like looks), and you’re in a capitalist nightmarescape where even changing your class and amount of wealth is typically impossible, then you’ve accidently an entire incel.
Brutticus@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
lol so basically the premise of incelibacy is that there is a hierarchy of men (hence all the “alpha” or “beta” shit".) What you are was given out at birth (so yay, biological essentialism). they believe some traits highly valued by women (height, beauty, etc) and these were handed out at birth. If you are short, or slight, or bulky, they believe that no one can find you attractive (the black pill), no matter what other traits you cultivate. They are convinced no one might have any other taste, they have to look like Chris Hemsworth. So imagine a scale with Chris Hemsworth at the top, and everyone who doesn’t look like that having “low value.”
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
I agree, but there’s is also the reallity that if you have no hobbies and no passions other than gooning you’re going to come off as pretty uninteresting and boring to most people. Some would call that being low-value
Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Nah low value isn’t about hobbies and stuff. That’s teenager stuff.
It’s quite easy… be dependable, be able to communicate, be good looking, charisma, …
Girls don’t give a shit about your hobbies unless they also have those exact same hobbies.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I mean sure buddy, but are you gonna open up the bar with “Let me tell you how dependable and good I am at communicating.” or are you gonna show her that by telling her about your hobbies and how you stick to them despite hardship. If you can’t talk about what you like, how are you gonna talk about the difficult stuff down the line?
I’d say well groomed is more important than “good looking”. If you look clean, your clothes are well fitted, hair and nails well trimmed and show some basic hair and skin care you look good regardless of what your face actually looks like.
Thinking that hobbies have no value, that’s teenager stuff. So is thinking that what applies to one woman applies to all.
Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Well groomed… really wasn’t necessary. I just wore a t-shirt and whenever I was interested in someone I would take off that t-shirt.
I was age 21-24 though, so teenager stuff might still have applied.
Met my wife when I was 24, now 6 years together.
So yeah, my experience with women basically is from age 17 to 24. As teenager, it was all about hobbies etc.
Now as a married man… my wife doesn’t give a fuck bout my hobbies, she’s pregnant so she wants someone dependable. Long term relationship so we need to be communicative.
Hobbies… we do things together. Outings, watching series. She suffers through my blabbering bout economic stuff that she really doesn’t care about. She watches me workout for the so maniest time.
When you’re looking for a relationship, all you need to do is have fun. Be charming. Your hobby can be whatever. They want you, not your hobby, not your grooming. If you’re fit and you can make her laugh, that’s all you need.
Ashenlux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
It’s not so much about the hobby itself. It’s the having interests part. Having some things you like to do or are passionate about. Sure, some hobbies will attract more interest from women then others, but plenty of women are into video games, working out, or any other “unattractive” hobbies, you just got to find the right match.