Voting stupidly doesn’t turn a working class person into an owner class person. We still outnumber them, it’s just that most of us have been tricked.
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finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You say the larger of the two, but the majority of the USA voted for fascism and an absurd number of people just stayed home. It’s hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
oh my god im sick of this ‘the democratic party cannot fail, only be failed’ bullshit. I remember the 2000 election, where these chucklefucks, the same leadership we had in 2024, literally the same people in charge, handed over a presidency that they won because the fascists threw a fit.
and I’m not confident, given some of the comments musk’s son has let slip and the years of always-confessional fascist whinging about election interference, that people DIDN’T properly vote for the absolute piece of shit the dems tried to run, again.
the fact they were willing to ratfuck the candidates the american people wanted, time and time again, since god damn world war two, suggests that these assholes are more willing to risk fascism by putting incompetent figureheads in charge than deal with moderate center left reformers-from henry wallace to bernard sanders-suggests they would not have fought for us, just like they didn’t really fight for us from 2020-2024. these were not our people in washington, and expecting our slavish devotion was insulting when they gave us nothing in return, largely letting the fascists run free. maybe, if donald trump was such a threat, and he was, and open fascism was such a huge fucking deal, which it is, they should have run somebody with at better chance of winning an election, nodded to things that energized americans, or played hard ball during the campaign?
I do remember the campaign, by the way. I have the curse of all lefties everywhere; I can remember thirty or more seconds into the past. I remember them pulling back on winning strategies like ‘hey these guys are weird deranged little freaks’ and ‘this fascism thing doesn’t sound very nice’ because presumably they were more concerned with their ability to be weird little freaks once they took charge, and their ability to do fascism-lite once they were in charge, than with making sure the real thing didn’t happen. and maybe that’s why they didn’t lock trump up when they had control. maybe that’s why they didn’t cover the white house lawn in gallows on january7. maybe that’s why they wouldn’t have fought an election result like 2000, if it had occurred, and let the fascists just have the win if it came to that. again.
cut the shit. the democratic party is done. it’s over. they will not resist, because they don’t want to, because they would rather side with fascists than the most mild social reformers, the most mild corporate regulator not-quite-communists, the most mild prison abolitionist not-quite-anarchists. they were never going to resist.
move the fuck on. do something real rather than spending your time trying to blame the failures of your duplicitous masters on the people you think should be your natural allies. maybe try joining us.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
We have 2 options.
Make things better or make things worse.
It’s really that simple, guy.
xye@lemm.ee 2 days ago
No, Bernie got done dirty in the primary process each time, super delegates, getting people like Buttigieg to drop out for promises of favors - but it’s convenient there wasn’t a primary in 2024 so they could just pick someone else for you openly.
conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 days ago
See, there’s serious doubt in both cases that Biden and Clinton were really the people’s choice because the party either overtly or quietly kept their thumb on the scale. I can’t find the article anymore, but whoever took over after Debbie Schultz basically found that the HRC campaign was effectively in charge of the DNC during the 2016 primary. I don’t know about you, but I don’t consider that a level playing field at all. Then, in '20, I found it really, really sketchy how Biden won what, two, three states? And all the other candidates with one or two wins suddenly pulled out and pledged all of their delegates for Biden basically at the same time. Could’ve been that Biden was really that cool, but I’ve always had doubts about that.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It wasn’t exactly a close race. You’d be accusing the DNC of fabricating Millions of ballots.
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
people chose
technically true; dem elite ghouls are people.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I didn’t realize you considered 20 to 30 Million people dem elite ghouls. Clearly, you’re just a conservative.
randomperson@lemm.ee 3 days ago
It’s hard to grow a resistance when you simultaneously believe the simple folk are getting exactly what they deserve and asked for.
It really shouldn’t be since that’s just the beginning, they’ll be coming for everyone that says a single negative thing about the king and his cronies.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Not even a majority of voters, let alone a majority of Americans. Just about 30% of adults in the US voted for trump. We still outnumber them.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
And 40% didn’t think it was important enough to even vote
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You’ve no idea why those voters didn’t vote. Disenfranchisement has been turned to 11
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Actually yes, a majority. Trump lost popular vote in 2016 but won it in 2024.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 days ago
49.9% isn’t a majority. It’s a plurality.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Trump: 49.8% of popular vote (77,302,580 votes)
Harris 48.3% of popular vote (75,017,613 votes)
He won the majority, unless you’re counting spoiled ballots that accomplished fuck all against empowering dictatorship.
AidsKitty@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The same people who have historically bankrolled and controlled Republicans also run the Democrats. It’s kinda hard to “fight the system” when the oligarchs are the system.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Then you would agree we should remove money from politics and…
Oh! Whats this? The DNC passed campaign finance limits in 2002 which were overturned by the conservative SCOTUS in 2010 “Citizens United” decision? Huh, wow, thats crazy.
AidsKitty@lemmy.world 2 days ago
So what you are saying is that the oligarchs rule the system and your solution is to continue voting in that same system in which you are being ruled?
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You’re going to sit there and both sides in the face of one side clearly fighting against oligarchy and one side clearly fighting for.
You’re going to pretend its all the same while Republicans, who created a deficit by cutting taxes for the rich and only the rich, are tryng to pass a budget that will remove 79 Million citizens health coverage a d defund hospitals.
You’re barely even human.
bustAsh@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’m not sure the majority voted for Trump considering all the election interference and Elon Musk’s fuckery.
Enkrod@feddit.org 2 days ago
Yes, there is a strong case that voter suppression won him the race in 2016 and 2024