Did they make a coalition with the new nazi party?
Comment on Germany right now
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Sadly true. Fuck the CDU and AfD. Nazi helpers and Nazis.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 month ago
bravesentry@feddit.org 1 month ago
Even if they don´t officially, they might just push through all the right wing policies with the votes of AfD.
The next weeks and months will show.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ok because the last I saw, there was a “firewall” to stop any coalitions with them.
Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Personally, I don’t think even Merz is at the point just yet to outright create a coalition with them. However, that they did push a directive and try to push an actual law through parliament with AfD votes already is a sign of the direction things may end up going. Who knows, in a few months or years, there might just end up something happening like trouble in the most likely coming coalition of CDU/SPD, where the CDU just says they “had no choice” but to introduce a proto-fascist law that they and the AfD support, but the actual ruling coalition did not, resulting in legitimising them more and paving the way for an actual coalition.
tomi000@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Not yet, we will see in a few weeks
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
De-Nazification never happened.
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 month ago
*in west Germany
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The Stasi had it’s share of fascist turncoats.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 month ago
And a lot more hanged Nazis.
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Insignificant compared to west germamy
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 1 month ago
AfD has a guy called Helferich… A funny translation would be Helperling… I can imagine his role and his recap when they ruined Germany and Europe again.
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
SPD and Grüne are helping the rise of fascism too even if it’s not on purpose. Die Linke are the only ones in parliament actually working against it.
remon@ani.social 1 month ago
Wanting to disband NATO, withholding weapons from Ukraine and talking to Putin isn’t exactly “working against” fascism. That’s very much the Neville Chamberlain approach … but even he came to his sense after the full scale invasion started. Can’t say the same for Die Linke.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 month ago
NATO is a fascist organisation.
You Germs should know that since they incorporated plenty nazis in the organisation.
www.dispropaganda.com/…/natos-secret-nazi-past
remon@ani.social 1 month ago
Ok Tankie.
metaldream@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Don’t care, I’d rather live under the neolib European governments any day than a Russian shithole. It’s not even a difficult choice. It’s not like there’s some leftist utopia as an alternative.
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Campists these days are so funny, because now they’re getting all their opinions from the US state department.
GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee 1 month ago
NATO is liberal and that comes with all of the problems of liberals but in what ways has it functioned as a fascist organisation?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Without NATO, we’re going back into the age of territorial conquests and nationalist revenge campaigns. Russia and China aren’t the only countries where this crap is normalized (see Hungary - lot of my fellow Hungarians thinks Slovaks are just Hungarians forced to take up a Slavic language, and in reality they’re just a lost tribe of Magyars called “the Tóths”).
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Had to protect the surplus profits of Capitalism at all costs. A century of wealth needed to be consolidated in the hands of the ubermensch. You know, Mohammed Bin Salmen and Amancio Ortega and Elon Musk.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
So did the warsaw packt. Your point?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s such revisionist history. Chamberlain wasn’t appeasing Germany, he was aligning with Germany against Communist Russia.
He wasn’t surrendering, he was allying with fascism.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 month ago
Source?
That seems even more revisionist. If anything I’d have expected it from Winston “I believe in Aryan race science” Churchill.
Chamberlain was buying time for rearmament. It wasn’t actually necessary and it was, in fact, pretty fucking stupid because Germany was rearming faster than France and Britain put together, and his betrayal of Czechoslovakia with their fortified border was even more galling in face of it, but the idea wasn’t to ally with Germany as far as I’ve seen anyone claim.
Terces@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Bold statement. Do you have any examples? I would disagree, but maybe I just don’t quite understand what you meant.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
SPD is just standing by not doing anything (except being corrupt), basically silent complicity. The greens are also not clearly positioning themselves against the anti immigrant hatred, but they are still doing much better than the rest imo.
Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I agree with you on the SPD, but Habeck was pretty fucking clear that Abschiebung is not the way to go. The Linke on the other hand seems great until you see their position on NATO, rearmament, Russia, and Ukraine…
My dad literally voted for Volt instead of Grüne because “the Grüne was to positive about immigration”
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 month ago
What should the SPD be doing?
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Both parties, in an attempt to win back AFD voters, are doing more and more of their anti immigrant politics. If you watch any political debates on TV, most of what they talk about is just who wants to deport the most immigrants and who reduced immigration the most.
Terces@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Thanks for the clarification. I would even say that I mostly agree with the sentiment. Immigration has been a pointless discussion for years now and I think no party (except the AFD) actually profited from it. SPD and die Grünen have both failed to disspell the AFD narrative.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Considering that Putin is the biggest fascist threat for all of Europe, your statement is laughable. The Left agree that Putin is doing bad things in Ukraine and other countries but their message is that the domestic social net is more important than Europe’s survival and all weapon deliveries must stop. Let’s talk instead.
If policies were up to them, they’d be helping fascism almost as much as outright Putin sheep
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
It is so fucking sad that the tolerance “paradox” goes all the way to fucking war.
Like you literally have to fight a war against war seekers if you don’t want war. Like fucking hell, why can’t we at least be chill there?
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 month ago
How is Putin the biggest fascist threat for Europe? Fascism was literally born in Europe and exported elsewhere, we have Nazi and fascist parties getting consistent growth election after election in basically every EU country.
Believe it or not, Europe isn’t at war with Russia, we should be struggling in favour of diplomacy to reduce both our and their military expenditure… which is hard to do when riding hard the NATO wave. Ffs Europe was building gas pipelines with Russia 3.2 years ago, we’re really still capable of separating ourselves from fascist US, reduce military expenditure with fascist Russia, and take care of our own fascist problems.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes, we are. From election interference to contamination of drinking water at military bases in Germany, incendiary devices placed on DHL planes, and cutting undersea cables.
Completely naive. Diplomacy only works from a position of strength.
Russia invaded Georgia. No military help, only diplomacy: Led nowhere.
Russia’s 2014 invasion of Ukraine: No military help, only diplomacy. Two Minsk Accords Russia used to build up their military and Russia then happily broke.
Russia is part of Europe. Russia is waging genocide in Europe. North Korean soldiers are murdering in Europe. Putin is our fascist problem and people appeasing Putin are also a part of the problem.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Not on purpose?
That Baerbock is a horrible warmonger