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We supported Trump because we believe that Biden’s policies have had a detrimental impact on our country. Over the past four years, those of us who work hard for a living have faced significant challenges. Inflation has skyrocketed to the point where basic necessities like housing, food, and healthcare are out of reach for many. My son, for example, would have to work far harder than I ever did just to afford rent. We voted for a better future for the working class.

In contrast, the previous administration has shown a lack of morals, ethics, and compassion for humanity. The support of actions that led to the loss of countless Palestinian lives raises serious ethical concerns. It’s important to reflect on how Biden’s actions impact the world and the people who suffer as a result. Blaming a president who is advocating for the wellbeing of hardworking Americans misses the larger issue at hand. It’s essential to focus on the real challenges facing our nation, rather than directing blame toward individuals who are working to create a better future for the people of this country.

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kautau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

We voted for a better future for the working class.

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- MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  They aren’t wrong about why they voted. They are wrong about the results of Trump’s policies which is different.
  
  I believe they believed Trump’s claims.
  
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  - kautau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Doesn’t change my ability to laugh at their thinking. I had these “conversations” with friends and family repeatedly about what they were actually voting for and it made no difference. There is such a thing as the last laugh and however dark it is, as the world stage gets darker and darker, like a Greek tragedy, I will laugh as I watch it play out, sad as it is
    
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- Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  You laugh but that’s what they voted for. Empiric evidence suggests things weren’t too hot for them these last 4 years so I don’t know why would you laugh at them in any case
  
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  - Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Because voting determines who will be president in the future. It’s not a “Did you like the last 4 years” exit poll. Given the choice between Trump and Kamala, one was clearly the worse choice comparatively if you wanted prices to go down over the next 4 years.
    
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  - kautau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Sure, agreed. But they were convinced that voting away all their rights to the oligarchy was the way forward. The corporations won, Russia won. Disinformation convinced the majority of America to sign itself up to be raped and pillaged, and I will certainly laugh at those who think otherwise and the “magical egg price droppening” “magical house cheapening” are coming by stripping corporations of any and all restrictions
    
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NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

Inflation has skyrocketed to the point where basic necessities like housing, food, and healthcare are out of reach for many.

Get ready for more inflation and less food and healthcare access

The support of actions that led to the loss of countless Palestinian lives raises serious ethical concerns.

Great, prepare for Palestine to not exist at all anymore.

I understand that the Democrats are also the party of the corporate oligarchs and are also going to fuck us, but at this point voting for Trump is just throwing the baby out with the bath water, my guy.

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- NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It seems like there are many individuals here with the ability to predict the future! If you have such insight, perhaps you could share tonight’s Powerball numbers?
  
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  - Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Mods, stop removing only the aggressive messages that you disagree with. Please apply the rules evenly.
    
    Native: What indicator would you consider that would make you say “ok, this is worse”? Because I sincerely believe that if you pick a reasonable one, it will probably happen.
    
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StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
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- stickly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It’s not necessarily a lack of education, I know a really smart surgeon, generally very reasonable, who fell for this stuff.
  
  If you’ve never seen the echo chamber this guy lives in you don’t understand how bizarre it can be.
  
  On the surface there’s a lot of influencers that can say truly regressive lies, and make them sound innocuous. They say it with such confidence and mixed in with truths and half truths. It can be hard to see the fallacies and misinfo even if you know what to look for.
  
  There’s a constant drip of cherry picked stats and talking points designed to reinforce what he’s feeling. In the back of his mind he knows those support his case but he doesn’t really have an original source to reference. He tries to say them with the same confidence that he heard them with, but they’re not based in reality and look pretty ugly without the professional window dressing.
  
  There’s videos where people do deep dives on this stuff (I can try to find one if you want). You could probably also experiment with it yourself if you have a VPN and a fresh/virtual device to make an account on.
  
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- UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
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- Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
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  - NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Mental health is a significant issue in today’s society, which is why I tend to avoid taking things too personally. When individuals respond with excessive anger, it often leads me to believe their frustration may stem from underlying issues unrelated to the topic at hand. Additionally, some individuals seem to struggle with engaging in constructive conversations with those who hold differing viewpoints, which is not reflective of the majority of us who are open to respectful dialogue.
    
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    Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    I find their anger often comes from the frustration of arguing with someone whose viewpoint is further away from reality than their own.
    
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    FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    You unapologetically voted for someone who is going to make mental healthcare even harder to access for people than before, so I’m not sure that you’re really in a position to be talking about how mental health is a significant issue.
    
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    MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    A different issue is for some is the GOP supporters voted to put people in concentration camps regardless of your personal view on immigration or whether LGBT+ people can exist in public. That’s going to be an issue for some.
    
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TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
If you’re paying any attention, you’d be seeing you’ll get nothing but precisely the opposite of what you claimed you voted for. Given Trump’s history, you have no leg to stand on believing that liar.

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- NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  You possess a unique perspective that many of us do not have, as it seems you are able to foresee the future. However, it’s important to acknowledge that Trump is following through on the promises he made, while Biden has not delivered in the same way. In his final actions, Biden prioritized securing the well-being of his family and ensuring their safety. In contrast, it often appears that Biden’s focus has not been on the American people or their interests.
  
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  - TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Trump enriched the rich at the expense of the working person, just like he did in his first term. There are a million other things I could point out but I doubt you’d listen to a single one of them
    
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    NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    I respectfully disagree. The working class experienced significant gains during the Trump administration, and the past four years under Biden’s leadership have been particularly challenging. These are the facts based on the experiences of many and the main reason Trump is now president. It’s important to recognize that the wealthiest individuals often remain insulated from the hardships faced by hardworking Americans, and they do not endure the same struggles as those in the labor force. Essentially they always win!
    
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Holyginz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
The sheer fact that your whole comment can be refuted and countered from just cursory searches and looking outside of curated news spaces means that you are either arguing in bad faith or you just choose to ignore reality. Either way your stupid decision is going to fuck over a huge number of people and that includes your son because trump has never worked a day in his life. He has bankrupt over 250 businesses, including a casino so he’s a shit businessman. Your inability or unwillingness to face reality is going to be responsible for everything that trump fucks up over the next, hopefully only, 4 years.

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MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
The problem is you misunderstand macroeconomics on a fundamental level if you think the policies proposed by Trump or the actions taken by Trump so far will in fact bring down prices.

I get why you hoped he was telling the truth but if you ever had taken even intro macro you would know enough to doubt what he’s saying.

If you think Trump is more moral than Biden I’d ask why you think the guy who raped people and admitted to intentionally walking in on teenaged girls changing clothes because he could was more moral because that’s just bizarre.

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- NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  If President Biden’s macroeconomic policies have contributed to the current inflation, it may be time to reevaluate and implement new macroeconomic strategies.
  
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  - FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Like tariffs that give American businesses no alternatives but to pay more for the same thing they were importing already? I’m not sure why you think that will help.
    
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RedSeries@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Since calling you what you are is not allowed:

In contrast, the previous administration has shown a lack of morals, ethics, and compassion for humanity.

I cannot see how you can look at this current administration and think that this is better in any way.

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RedSeries@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Get out of here, fascist. You’re what’s wrong with my country.

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- NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I would recommend familiarizing yourself with the definition before using the term.
  
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Noved@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I’m not going to argue with you because there’s enough other people doing that. What I am interested though is a few statistics about yourself to compare to what you’re saying.

You claim to be part of a group who " works hard for a living"

Just wondering what your line of work is and yearly income.

Have you always voted conservative? does your family vote conservative or are you the outlier?

What social media platforms do you use?.

What region of the USA do you live in? Normally blue/ red?

Thanks!

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- NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  would you also like my bank account username and password?
  
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  - Noved@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Nope, was just hoping to understand your side of things a bit more, some context into how your opinions were formed. But clearly you’re not interested in any type of discussion.
    
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    NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Requesting that I provide personal information on a form before engaging in a discussion can come across as presumptuous. This is why I responded humorously to the question.
    
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- Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  The last thing that’s going on in there is arguing. Maybe you are confused with belittling.
  
  Purity tests is not how you get workers to your doomed cause
  
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HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
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- NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I’m not your father!
  
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hotelbravo722@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I agree that the Biden administration’s policies where not good enough to address the real issues facing working people in the country. They were pulling from the same neoliberal economic playbook that both parties have used and has been shown over and over again to increase inequality instead of decreasing inequality. Biden and Democratic leadership think we are still in the world economic situation of the 1990’s and refuse to believe otherwise.

However Trump on the other hand doesn’t even have a plan. He was correct in saying “The Economy sucks”, but had no other plan to fix the system besides “Drill Baby Drill” and “Let the Oligarchs decide how the economic system works”. Harris might have been an out of touch elite, oblivious to economic reality. But Trump is pain and destruction incarnate and will only cause more pain and destruction during his tenure.

The reality is the US Empire is dying and it can either go gracefully or with pain and anger while it takes the rest of the world with it.

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- WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It’s going with pain an anger, but thanks to Trump’s trade wars the rest of the world is finally distancing itself from the USA enough that we might not be dragged down with you.
  
  That’s the one silver lining to all this: America’s been on a clear path to fascism since GWB at the latest, but now that it’s finally here it’s being managed by an outright moron. Trump’s stupidity will be the one thing that saves the world.
  
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  - FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Or ends it.
    
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    WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    No, if the world ends it’ll be because of the American public’s stupidity. They knew what they were getting when they voted for Trump. Twice.
    
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  - hotelbravo722@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Dude’s got nukes, that doesn’t tend to end well.
    
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    stickly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Wecome to Disney’s North Korea+ (brought to you by Tesla)
    
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BlueMacaw@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I 100% agree with your critiques, but I don’t see how Trump was going to solve them. However, I’m pretty disappointed that you’re at -20 at the time I’m making this comment (thanks blue maga groupthink), so I’m upvoting you to try and turn the tide. But all standards, you have a well written comment that should not be downvoted into oblivion.

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- NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  This reaction is fairly common on Lemmy; when users disagree, they often downvote. However, the joke is on them, as I don’t concern myself with negative votes—what truly matters to me is fostering meaningful dialogue. Ultimately, Lemmy tends to function as a collection of small echo chambers.
  
  I was once a Democrat, but after the way Bernie Sanders was treated, I can no longer align myself with the party. I would have supported Sanders over Trump, and I believe many others would have as well.
  
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  - MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    This is interesting because the two men have nothing in common.
    
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    NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    What they have in common is a call for change. Unfortunately, we are often limited to just two choices in the political process.
    
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  - Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    I would have supported Sanders over Trump
    
    This is it, right here. The DNC needs this rammed through their skulls until they understand it.
    
    It still doesn’t make sense to me to vote for Trump given what you’ve said though-- he’s radical, but in precisely the wrong way to achieve your stated goals.
    
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    NastyNative@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Bernie Sanders was often labeled as “radical” by his critics. However, living in the United States over the past four years has led many to seek alternative options for addressing the country’s challenges. If you’ve been following the ongoing issues at the Social Security Building? particularly regarding Social Security and retirement systems, it’s clear that reforms are needed. Immediate action is required to ensure the sustainability of Social Security for future retirees.
    
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  - BlueMacaw@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Yep, totally agree. Sad to see so many on here knee jerk being angry at you instead of engaging in constructive outreach to an obviously attentive and likely persuadable voter.
    
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100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

In contrast, the previous administration has shown a lack of morals, ethics, and compassion for humanity.

I’m all in for criticizing Biden’ support for Israel and I think that the Democratic Party prefers saying “vote for us, we are not the other guy” to actually addressing the glaring issues in wealth distribution, but… Trump spectacularized the erasure of trans people from official documents and the deportation of migrants, he is dismantling that little welfare the US has to eat it up with his oligarch buddies and you still think that he is somehow better? I don’t know if you’re a bot, a shill, or simply lack the political education needed.

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