Comment on A troll (https://lemm.ee/u/shinigamiookamiryuu) is a new moderator of AskLemmy on Lemmy.world. What can be done about this?

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• seathru@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Alright lemmy users who aren’t part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago…this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios…and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.

  I mean; It does work that way. See the 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone drama. People didn’t like what the mods wanted to do, so they started their own (onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone) and it currently has more than twice the number of active users.

  So it does work when most of the people give a shit. Problem is, most people don’t.

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  • Typhoonigator@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Why do your links try to open an email app? Is the problem with your links, or with my Voyager?

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    • BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Bit of both. I don’t think they were trying to link the communities; just making clear what instance they were on. I think the correct nomenclature would be to put ! in front of them, like !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone

      (But when I clicked “link a community” in Voyager like I did just now, it both added the ! and then formatted a link directly to blahaj in standard brackets+parentheses so tbh idk)

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      • BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        test !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Also !196@lemmy.world

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• j4k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won’t be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!

  I find that stupidity infuriating. It postulates that communities are owned by moderators and not the community and users. That is authoritarian narcissistic garbage. No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!

  That is how these places fail to grow most people encountering this stupidity just leave. Mods serve communities just like admin. The altruism of hosting is not some neo feudal ownership of users. I’m grateful for the time and efforts spent and willing to contribute myself in the ways I can to that democracy, but anyone that acts like that means they own me can shove a whole data center and the parking lot up their root directory. Communities have momentum and belong to the users only. ANY mods that do not put users first should be purged immediately. Mods are disposable. As a mod, I am disposable. I do not matter. I am the janitor. Any mod that can not say this should be purged immediately. Anyone with any hint of narcissism is toxic to the community in every instance. Every mod and admin action is harmful and should only ever be applied to those that are causing greater harm like bigots. There should be extreme prejudice by admin at mods that are active and taking actions that were not flagged by members of the broader community. I’ll volunteer as a mod of any of the larger communities if that is what is needed. I trust users to make flags and there are very few actual actions needed here in any community.

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  • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Agreed. Hopefully the !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone migration gave us hope

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    • Sunshine@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I needed to block the LW because I did not care much for it and I personally have preferred the !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone one.

      That whole situation really cluttered the all feed.

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  • Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!

    Yup. I wish that it was possible to make it clear to moderators just how little of a fuck the average user gives about them. Because they generally seem to have delusions of grandeur and think of themselves as the most important people around. Which is fucking bullshit because without the users that they dismiss and treat like dirt, they wouldn’t have a platform where they get to inflate their egos in the first place.

    I actually made a post about this elsewhere but I’m gonna mention it here too. The reason the API thing on Reddit didn’t cause every user to come here is because the moderators there made it all about themselves. To the average user, the whole ‘protest’ looked a lot like the people who treat users unfairly whining and crying about the admins treating them unfairly. And I can tell you, there was little to no sympathy for them. All they did was cry about their modding tools while locking entire communities that thousands or hundreds of thousands of people make use of. And they pissed everyone off.

    I know that personally a big reason the API thing didn’t do much for me in my decision to leave Reddit (or not) was because the same people that forced me into using services like reveddit because they like to silently remove people’s comments without notification, were suddenly asking me for solidarity and to feel sorry for them.

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    • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Which is fucking bullshit because without the users that they dismiss and treat like dirt, they wouldn’t have a platform where they get to inflate their egos in the first place.

      I’m a mod, and I agree.

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  • hypnicjerk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    the simple fact is that very few people volunteer to moderate online spaces without some incentive, i.e. power over others. the point of this structure is to encourage people to create and moderate communities, because if they can be voted out via mob rule (or even better, hostile takeover), then there’s little reason to invest time and energy into building a group.

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    • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Mods who want power over other users aren’t good mods. A mod is barely a janitor (and I say that as a mod). Bad janitors make people move away. See !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone which was created after the power trip on !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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  • shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It would be good, then, that I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I’m aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person’s warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn’t some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.

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• shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  It would be good, then, that I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I’m aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person’s warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn’t some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.

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  • Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    You recently trolled about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and when people proved you wrong, you proceeded to troll about how “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions” before locking the thread.

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    A portion of your blog post supposedly debunking everything is just spent waffling about Elon Musk.

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    • shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention, and two, a lot of the footage exaggerated his gesture anyways. I don’t rule out that it was reckless and that people are right to feel offended, just that we can’t speak for another person’s intent.

      Something that’s worth noting (or which I don’t see a lot of people talking about) is the fact that the salute, historically, was done with your arm stretched out in front of you, not to the side like in the photograph of him. My style is to analyze things closely and give constructive critique (which is why, when someone mentioned he also shared antisemitic conspiracy theories, I gave some scolding words about Musk and did not continue the same “meh” reaction).

      I remember when I was little and Pokémon came out with the character Registeel and the sprite had to be changed because the pose they chose for the creature just happened to resemble a Nazi salute. It was probably far less likely to be intentional in their case, but it actually looked more like the salute… and then it was memed into oblivion. Musk’s salute in the picture, though technically arguable to be the salute (and it’s possible more to his intentions might come to light), was more like the Team Rocket pose.

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      • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Don’t apologise for nazis

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      • Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        This is so embarrassing for you. Just stop. It’s sad.

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