Comment on An independent voter explains why they chose a moronic, oligarcho-fascist demagogue over Joe Biden (c. November 2020) [Day 58]

DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Trump very obviously played the left with the help of Netanyahu while throwing the democrats under the bus, and the left ate it up. While the right unified, the left splintered into micro groups all hating on each other for having differing opinions within the left. I’m hearing Americans now saying “well it’s the Dems fault…” great, you sure showed them huh?

  Those people did the equivalent of chopping off their own foot, but calling it a win cause they got blood on the other guy.

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yup. I hope the “Biden is committing genocide” and “Dems didn’t solve every problem known to man” are happy with their new president they helped elect.

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    • dx1@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are you seriously disagreeing with the assessment of Biden committing (or being complicit in, potato potatoh) genocide? Or is it only talking about it that you have a problem with?

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      • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No.

        I’m being an adult that accepts the reality I live in.

        In that reality there is basically no scenario where America gives up its most important long-term ally in the Middle East over a never-ending religious conflict they’re having with someone else.

        So, being that’s the reality we live in, I can determine that the situation is INFINITELY better off in the hands of one party than the other. So I voted for that party to mitigate the damage that we’re now going to see due to a bunch of idiots that didn’t want to accept the reality they lived in and ended up making the very thing they cared about worse.

        I also voted for that party because I’m not a moron single issue voter and I know there’s a lot else at stake right here at home.

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    • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So far this new president helped stop the genocide that Biden was supporting.

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      • irreticent@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        • New Israeli “large scale” offensive in West Bank underway as Trump drops sanctions on settlers

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      • Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Boy are you woefully misrepresenting reality.

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      • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So far this new president helped stop the genocide that Biden was supporting.

        I’ll take “Utterly Moronic Comments Stated Unironically” for $500, Alex.

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  if you didn’t vote Dem in this election, you’re an idiot of the highest caliber

  Support for the GOP correlates heavily with the presence of a fossil fuel industry in a given state or electoral district. It also tilts heavily by gender, with women and pocs tilting heavily Dem (black women vote Republican in the 90-95% range) while white men are around 2:1 Republican.

  The party politics flows accordingly, delivering the red meat their base voters crave while focusing the more material policies toward their respective donor bases.

  What’s really fucked things of late has been Dems pandering to factions that don’t actually support them (huge Dem support for AIPAC when Israel special interests were leaning hard right, huge Dem support for the domestic tech sector when Bezos/Zuck/Elon were throwing their support behind Trump, Harris parading around with Liz Cheney to the cheers of basically nobody).

  If you’re willing to gamble on a sure-to-lose scenario in an election as serious as the 2024 election, you’re an idiot.

  Republicans and Democrats both love a big rug pull. The difference on Lemmy is that you’ll see plenty of people recognize the scam that is $TRUMP coin the moment it is announced, but you’ll still see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors while throwing billions into an Infrastructure Investment Act that funneled billions for a Silicon Valley crowd that hate him.

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Agree with most of what you’re saying except

    see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors

    Biden did more for college debtors than any president, ever. Did he entirely eliminate college debt? No. No one who was critically thinking actually thought that was going to happen, because what was probably going to happen was what ended up happening. A bunch of roadblocks got thrown in his way, including the Supreme Court. But he still eliminated many millions of dollars in college debt for a lot of people.

    There’s no doubt that the Democratic party is not particularly great at running campaigns. But that doesn’t absolve the American populace from their duty to be reasonably informed. The Democratic party can run a dogshit campaign and people who are reasonably informed can still look at the hard data and see which party is a better bet for the economy and average Americans.

    And to be clear, in a sane world, they did run a better campaign than the Republicans who ran on hate, fear, and absolute ridiculousness. IMMIGRANTS ARE EATING PEOPLE’S PETS IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO.

    That shit worked because Americans are pretty goddamn stupid. That’s not the Democrat’s fault, especially since they actually vote in favor of our educational system instead of trying to privatize it, like Republicans. The brunt of this shitshow we find ourselves in falls squarely on American voters and their lack of education/morals.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Biden did more for college debtors than any president, ever.

      Screaming this over and over again, but college debtors still won’t vote for me.

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    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s true! They’re very stupid.

      Since this has been proven twice, it is now a known fact, what should the democrats do next time to enrapture these very stupid people and ensure a decisive victory against the enemy?

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      • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I mean if we’re taking 2024 as a lesson, I guess Democrats should run a campaign of non-stop fear and hatred based propaganda lies.

        Apparently that’s what gets votes in America.

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  • crusa187@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    black women vote Republican in the 90-95% range

    Surely you meant they vote Dem in this range.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Typo. Yes.

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• labbbb2@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Someone can tell me why they voted for Trump and right away abuse of power became OK and rule of law in US significantly deteoriated? In democracy it would be possible to right away impeach Trump, or re-count the votes, or something like that…

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because it’s “their team.”

    I truly wish there was more to it.

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• PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not to say the 2024 pres. election wasn’t important, but when was the last election where you would have said “sure, go vote for that 3rd party”?

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Never.

    Why?

    Because no 3rd party has done the necessary work to become a nationally viable party. No 3rd party will be viable until they start investing in candidates in local/state elections.

    There is no cheat code to make a 3rd party candidate president. 3rd parties have to start winning local/state offices, then get representatives in the House, then the Senate, before even having the possibility of running a candidate that can win a presidential election.

    Anyone voting 3rd party for president is extraordinarily ignorant and assisting in the decline of this nation on the fastest timeline possible.

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    • dx1@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh look, it’s Lemmy’s resident “fuck third parties” guy posting again.

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• dx1@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Vote anyone else in an election like this one, you’re an idiot. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percent of the total votes. In other words, no 3rd party candidate had even the whisper of a chance of winning.

  We had this thread last week. The people on your side were wrong.

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  • Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Naaah… it didn’t turn out that the people on their side were wrong at all, just that you disagreed with them. And what really happened was- it turned out that you couldn’t have a conversation without insulting people and getting your shit removed for trolling.

    I agree though. People absolutely should read those threads, however- it’ll be a little confusing unless they access the modlogs to get your… take- on a few of those discussions.

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    • dx1@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I am getting pretty sweary these days, getting really tired of pseudointellectual Americans whitewashing their genocidal government. Educated people can make their own judgment without you coloring in their reality for them, thanks.

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      • Rhoeri@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Educated people can make their own judgment without you coloring in their reality for them, thanks.

        Right, however, you’d have to be able to appeal to educated people first. And I don’t think you’re capable of it to be honest. Don’t get me wrong, cosplaying the “ackshually” meme would have been a great idea if it weren’t for the fact that people generally don’t like that guy very much.

        But you do you.

        Oh, and a bit of advice- I’d be careful with hurling that “pseudo-intellectual” accusation at other people- especially in a comment thread where your modlog was made easily accessible. Glass houses being what they are.

        Anywho, I think I made my point. There’s no real need to continue this.

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