Comment on Do rhymes make sense to deaf people?
otp@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Some Deaf people can still hear, in which case rhymes would make sense.
Someone who’s never heard before probably wouldn’t get rhymes in English. But then again, someone who speaks English probably wouldn’t get rhymes in ASL.
People who can hear would have an advantage though in that they’d be able to learn ASL and pick up on wordplay (like “rhyming”) that’s used in ASL. Unless a Deaf person becomes Hearing, they may never be able to experience rhymes in spoken English.
… it’d be easier if our spelling wasn’t so darned stupid, lol
our spelling isn’t stupid, it’s just what you get when you mix latin with germanic and pepper in minor influences from a dozen other language families.
I’m sure in a few more centuries, ryme and tyme will have convergently evolved to become false cognates.
I don’t get why that’s not stupid. The result of it certainly is! Haha
It also doesn’t help that spellings started to standardize at the same time the great vowel shift was happening
Deaf people can’t hear. That’s what it means to be deaf 😭
I’m not sure why you’re crying, but you’re incorrect.
It is surprising to many people outside of the Deaf Community, but Deaf people can often hear. The Deaf are considered deaf once they have passed a certain decibel (dB) hearing loss. Many people who are profoundly deaf can still hear planes, dogs barking, etc. Hearing a sound does not mean that Deaf people can understand speech. A person with a significant hearing loss generally has difficulty or inability to hear speech even when aided.
www.gatecommunications.org/deafness
As well, people with cochlear implants are (generally?) also Deaf, but with the implant, they can hear.
Do you have a link to a more reputable site? Gate communications is an American thing.
Just look it up.
It’s like being blind: a lot of blind people can still see but not well. Or using a wheelchair, a lot of people in wheelchairs can still stand short periods or walk short distances.
ETC
Society oversimplifies these things to be binary, but in reality they are a spectrum.
Are Americans intrinsically wrong about Everything? Like, I get most things, but surely one of us has had a correct thought before
You’ve got multiple sources now. It’s good to question things, but you might want to start by questioning the things that you’ve previously learned when encountering new information.
That’s not true, you can be legally deaf and still be able to hear (a bit), just like you can be legally blind and still be able to see (a bit)
Cochlear implants do exist, you know
I wouldn’t have expected rhyming to be possible in any sign language. It strikes me as being too dependent on hearing the sounds for the rhyme to be possible. I’m no authority on any of the components here, and would be interested to know how fully always deaf ASL users can make or understand rhymes. I would expect them to be more focused on visual similarities, but I don’t know if that could translate from writing to signing.
Spoken rhymes rely on repeating a similar sound. I imagine a “rhyme” in sign language would probably involve repeating a similar gesture. The fun of rhymes is in the similarity and repetition, after all. If two (or more) signs involve making a similar pattern, it’s probably amusing to pair them together in the same way it’s amusing to pair two rhyming spoken words.
As the other commenter said, rhymes would be with visual similarities.
Linguistically, a rhyme is when two words share the same nucleus and coda. In regular terms, that’s the same ending vowel and the consonants that follow it.
In ASL, words aren’t formed exactly the same way, but do have similar components that can be used to make rhymes. Rhyming words could have the same motion, but a different shape, for example. Or the same position, but a different motion.
I don’t actually speak ASL, so I can’t be certain about what looks best as a rhyme, but I understand some of the principles.
Most people who are medically deaf can still hear a bit. Also, deaf and hearing are proper nouns, no need to capitalise them for the NAD’s odd outbursts.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I saw a YouTube video about how a gorilla couldn’t rhyme in ASL and would rhyme in the english sounding versions which meant that the gorilla didn’t really understand ASL the same way a toddler would. Was pretty cool, had no idea rhymes existed in ASL.