I grew up in the age of the Cold War. And was taught to hate Russia. All the way up to the fall of the USSR. What the hell happened between then and now? Is their like a timeline or something?

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Patnou@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

Hell we didn’t intervene when they went after Georgia. But I think we supplied Georgians secretly. Or is America at so sad of a point of being the World Superpower and now we bend the knee to Russia?

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TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

What does Russia hold over us?

blackmail on a guy that a significant portion of the country was stupid enough to elect as president twice.

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- orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Vote for with the influence of Facebook algorithms pushed by Russian bots.
  
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- Hupf@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Between Russia and Israel, we also have a choice of wealth hoarders blackmailing the powers that be.
  
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- jimmy90@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  first the tsars fucked the russian people, then the commies and now the gangster capitalists
  
  the russian people might need a century or so to get back to reality
  
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Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Formation of USSR - 1991 : Boo USSR

1991 - 1999 : Maybe if we accept Yeltsin, we can reform Russia and help it not be a gigantic pain in everyone’s ass.

1999 - ???: Let’s give Putin a chance, he was Yeltsin’s right hand man

??? - 2014 : OK, there is some shady shit going on, but it’s under dubious, deniable circumstances

2014 -2016 : What the fuck, they literally took Crimea.

2016 : They are literally manipulating our elections. What the fuck. They made Brexit AND donald trump happen?

2016 - now : THEY CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!! (Spoilers : they are)
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adespoton@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Looking from the outside, the US was already losing its focus and leading into ideological/tribal thinking with the Viet Nam war and the fight over Afghanistan. By the time the USSR fell, the US was heavily entrenched in tribal manifest destiny, and no longer focused on progress or willing to learn from what other nations were doing well.

Russia, in contrast, was quickly captured by the soviet power mongers without the traditional trappings of the communist government to keep them at least partially in check. So they gathered their oligarchs and went full on tribal mafia.

The US eventually picked China to be the new target of hate, but China was more canny and used that window to buy all the production and delivery out from under the US, and then went on to buy a lot of the land and companies within the US. As a result, the US government could only push Chinese hatred so far.

And then Russia succeeded in working with rich Americans to get the oligarch class installed in the US as well, so there were people in power with shared interests.

It all happened out in the open and shouldn’t be a surprise; there were even people warning about the likely result every step of the way.

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- eurodyne@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I never really understood the US hatred for China. Yes, their government fucking sucks, but Chinese people are generally pretty awesome. My sister-in-law is Chinese. She is adorable.
  
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felixwhynot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Voting does still matter, and depending on where you live, it can matter quite a bit! Especially pay attention to local positions and ballot measures.

Remember, if voting didn’t matter they wouldn’t try so hard to prevent it! Use your rights while you still can!

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- felixwhynot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Honestly regarding your post I would suggest you watch the film Hypernormalization. I found it thought provoking and informative and it does deal a bit with geopolitics during the time period you mentioned.
  
  In short, quite a lot happened!
  
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Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
States always lie to benefit themselves. You never had anymore reason to hate a Russian than you would any other human in Earth. Your nation required it of you because it benefitted them.

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- Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  You never had anymore reason to hate a Russian than you would any other human on Earth. Your nation required it of you because it benefitted them.
  
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_by_Russia
  
  part of that classic
  
  Russian election interference
  
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  - Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Abd those dudes are embroiled in their state lies and money too. Look at my instance dude I dont really like any state.
    
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- Patnou@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I was just tired of getting under the stupid desk’s knowing it wouldn’t mean shit. When I say hate Russia, I mean the government not the people…and our government for not getting shit together after WW2. My psychiatrist is Russian…which is kind of weird that her husband was Uzbeck and committed suicide. And got an Appt. with her Wed and don’t know what to say to be thoughtful do to well both of us growing up differently…sorry got on a soap box there. Much love and thanks for the reply.
  
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schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
There was never a reason to hate Russian people, any more than any other humans on Earth. During the Cold War, there was a very good reason to reject the USSR for being communist, not for being Russian.

Now that Russia’s state ideology is no longer communism, that is no longer applicable. It’s still a very authoritarian country that does a lot of bad things, recently more of them than in the 1990s; but still considerably less bad than what the USSR was doing.

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AgentSeven@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Google the word kompromat. That’s what happened.

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someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The right wing needs an enemy, so when the USSR fell they switched from hating Russia to hating Democrats. 30 years of Fox yelling at them really works.

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Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
massive propaganda apparatus via troll farms, plus funding most right wing groups and governments.

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RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s just that the current regime in power of the USA enjoy the landscape of corruption that they now share with places like Russia. It’s easy to make deals with similar rulers. The are not really serving the people any more. Privatize everything. Including the country. People are expendable assets for the ruling class.

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