Do you think that membership into suicide pacts will increase dramatically within the next decade because the world is falling apart at the seams?Submitted 11 months ago by favrion@lemmy.world to [deleted]
Don’t worry, things have been falling apart since at least the beginning of written history, and most certainly longer. At the same time, wonderful things have also been happening during all that time.
Just make sure you take good care of yourself and of the people around you.
Things falling apart 1000 years ago because of the magic man in the sky and things falling apart now because of overpopulation, greed, global warming and wars on a global scale aren't exactly the same in my opinion.
Don’t worry, things have been falling apart since at least the beginning of written history, and most certainly longer. At the same time, wonderful things have also been happening during all that time.
Not like this, other than the cold war, we were never so close to a global catastrophe like climate change.
The world has been falling apart for a while. It’s just more visible when we’re connected. If anything, recent extreme political rhetoric in some areas might drive more people into cults (looking at you, MAGA-types)
It’s easy to focus on the negative, especially because that sells more toilet paper and beer on TV (and Internet sites).
But as Mr Rogers instructed us, when you see bad things going on, look for the helpers. There are a lot of people out there working to put the seams back together even as others are picking at them.
So far, the seam fixers have been winning. I think they’ll still win. For all its downsides, there is a huge upside to globalization: the wealthy people have more to gain from a mostly peaceful planet than from a mostly war stricken planet. Now, there’s profit in that “mostly” that is - to my way if thinking - bad. It’s something that (small “d”) democratic people should push back against.
Like, think about the American bullshit in Iraq and Afghanistan. We actually stopped being at war in those places in the recent past. We don’t have large deployments of active duty troops out there killing poor brown people. That’s good.
Biden also seems like the most likely guy to strongly resist the inevitable calls for war from the military industrial political media complex. Not only does he have personal experience with the loss that comes from war. He has decades of experience in government which makes him less likely to be hornswoggled by generals who want to blow shit up. (If he can purge all the white supremacists from the military that will also help.)
Don’t only look at the bad news. There’s good news out there, too.
A few people here have pointed this out already, but people have thought the End was pretty Nigh for about as long as we’ve been thinking about things.
Other people are countering this point by saying, ‘Ah, but this time it’s real!’ which doesn’t prove anything. People thought it was real all those previous times (the ecological collapse on Easter Island, or the Bronze Age collapse, or the Roman Civil Wars, or the Black Death, or the French Revolution or the Cold War etc.) and not many of them killed themselves or joined suicide cults, so why would people act differently now?
This isn’t to be pollyannaish about things. All the examples I gave above really did kill huge numbers of people and the Cold War in particular really could’ve caused the collapse of modern civilisation (if a nuclear war had broken out). Climate change, war and resurgent fascism are truly huge problems. I just don’t think the particular example of suicide cults is a very likely development.
Every generation has had people who think they are important enough to witness the end of the world. All of them have been wrong.
I’m not yet middle aged and have lived through quite a few supposed doomsdays so I’ll just wait for someone to breathlessly tell me why this time is different and the world is really going to end now.
Because the wait and see approach with the climate has gone so well thus far right?
Things are going to get worse, but acting like the world is going to end or that we can't do some damage control is extremely counter productive. Literally worse than doing nothing since this mindset also convinces others to do nothing.
It’s sad how easily this generation is taken in by mass propaganda. We laughed at the propaganda when it started, but then it worked it’s way into the school system and kids have been indoctrinated into it for 20+ years.
Look at the “solutions” to the “end of the world” scenarios. They all involve giving up your freedom and wealth and giving the governments more money and more power.
They took critical thinking out of the schools and it has left an entire generation unable to think for itself and more than happy to let those in control maintain their power over them.
You say that as if critical thinking was ever taught in school.
It was. I’m an eighties kid. In English class from middle through high school, we’d read literature and there were questions literally entitled “critical thinking” that would make you think critically about the excerpt.
Now it wasn’t super deep critical thinking. We weren’t asked to examine the role of race in American society, the merits and failures of capitalism, the patriarchy, or any of the really big concepts that affect society. It did attempt to teach us to critically think about new information, though.
I think some deathcults where the whole point is “live to 50, throw a massive party for the cult and go on a month long vacation, then kill yourself” might get some members. But they won’t really be that influential.
Most likely will be the rise of the “work the least possible, care the least possible” culture. China already saw it happen, it was called “Lying flat”.
Given the number of peers I have who agree that we don’t want to live past 65 in a world where a house is a pipe dream but a lifetime of debt is the norm, I can definitely see that happening
I should start a cult.
More money when you run them.
More fun to join then tho
Fantasy football league?
No; people will always have hope.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
It’s a Warhammer 40.000 quote. It’s supposed to be depressing :P
Why join a suicide pact or death cult when you could just buy a SUV and eat Meat every day? Take the whole population with you.
Millenarianism doesn't tend to have an association with famines or anything like that. It's usually closer to a feeling of alienation that drives it.
I think climate change will probably cause some of this sort of thing. A decade might be too soon, but might not be, either.
What you’re saying already has a cult following, especially the Mother Gaia types. Forecasting the end has been a thing for hundreds of years (at least).
We’re already breaking suicide records:
Does that mean yes?
it doesn’t mean no
No, because it gives suicidal folks a purpose. People don’t tend to kill themselves, only because things are hard. It’s much more vile when things are the slightest bit uncomfortable, but you don’t know why you should endure that. And when the world does actually fall apart, they can become politically active or help out in their local community.
it gives suicidal folks a purpose.
Does it though?
I think that assumes: 0. They are <within viable transportation distance> at the right time 1. They know the viable solution 2. They are capable of enacting said solution 3. It's really just that simple, a real "if everyone carries a bucket" problem not a "faster than we can fix it" problem
Now sure, sometimes it will work out that way especially for the people who have training/experience. Not so much for people who struggle to get out of bed in the morning now, particularly when they may have multiple factors that contribute to that.
Yes. Definatly. Not necessarily because of the world going one way or another but because our global population is rapidly increasing. 1 decade is enough to increase the global population by 1 billion people.
For the cult part, on one hand probably yeah because cults prey on vulnerable people.
But also the religious/psuedoscience aspect(s) might prevent some people from being interested and without that it'd likely veer more towards being classified as a gang/criminal-org. So it probably won't be dramatic.
I would say it could be more like a tribe or something similar, but with communities eroded away as they are now I doubt that will work out on a meaningful scale. From the difficulty of being able to provide food and housing (and that's now, before things get really bad) to people who might not be able to "pull their weight" or just general distrust of people on top of other issues like location and transportation.
Any half-decent option will probably spring up organically from people who have some connection already. I'm sure there are plenty of people now who don't have much of anything tying them down but there is neither a destination nor a community or means to get to one. With no information/contact, nothing about that will probably change especially when you think about actual chances things will work out as desired.
Preventable deaths will likely be the more dramatic rise, especially related to heat and natural disasters.
Oh little sparrow, the world has always been falling apart at the seams.
YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No, because the world isn’t falling apart, you are just becoming more aware of the world.
whisk4s@feddit.de 11 months ago
Climate and environmental science say no.