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Can someone break down the real differences between kbin, mbin, Lemmy, and PieFed? I know they're all in the Threadiverse, but I'm not sure what the draw is to use one over another.

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Submitted ⁨⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨speedythefirst@lemmy.zip⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • shifty@leminal.space ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    dev politics and dev opinions. Pick whichever you like it doesn’t matter.

    Kbin is dead Mbin is the successor, both have lemmy (reddit-like) and mastodon (twitter-like) capabilities. You can submit a “tweet” and a “post” from the same platform and browse both lemmy and mastodon content.

    Lemmmy is the activitypub version of reddit. PieFed is Lemmy but with the ability to see all comments and cross-posts of the same link or post, all collapsed into a single post and single thread to scroll through.

    Beehaw deserves its own mention because of how cut off it is from the rest of the fediverse, its its own little walled garden, protected from all the baddies out there in the world.

    All the rest is just drama surrounding the devs of all the platforms, and either their questionable political views (lemmy) or their questionable platform moderation views (piefed). So the platforms keep splintering as well as the instances on each platform. Which is a good thing its part of the fun of the fediverse.

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    • cabbage@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Piefed is Lemmy with cross-posts collapsed to one thread, and controversial developers (moderation defaults)

      Would love to hear which moderation defaults of PieFed are so controversial. Your phrasing seems to indicate that Lemmy developers support for Putin and Xi Jinping is no more controversial than Piefed developers’ preference to silence trolls and fascists.

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      • shifty@leminal.space ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        lemmy.world/post/41022485

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      • fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The fact that they are implemented in a code level is scary. Even though I disagree with the political views of the Lemmy Devs, the controversial views aren’t reflected in the product they coded, whereas in pie.fed it’s hard coded. Like, why not let instance admins configure those moderation things? Last I read about it there were some filters hard coded in the code that not even admins were able to change if they didn’t change the code itself.

        If the default can be changed now, cool. It’s still pretty scary that it’s an opt out feature that had to be changed from forced to opt out though. Again, as much I disagree with the political views of Lemmy Devs, those views didn’t leak into the code of their product. How they moderate ml and such is another thing, I am talking about the code itself.

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    • edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      PieFed also does flairs iirc

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      • cabbage@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Also multi-communities is a pretty central feature. A list of differences with Lemmy is maintained here.

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  • Canyon201@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    PieFed has a social credit score and has maliscious code that will tell you one thing while doing another:

    If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do.

    If your Social Credit Score is at -10 you cannot downvote, you can’t create new DMs and It flags your account automatically so other people can see your shame.

    PieFed uses a hard coded list to rank an instances’ defederation list for its quality. If an instance doesn’t defederate from what Rimu decided the instances stated quality goes down. Ironically none of the paedo instances are on Rimu’s list and in fact tolerates a porn instance that has “jailbait” IYKYK

    There are some accusations floating around that he is a vibecoder now so stay away imo

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    • mereo@piefed.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Sources?

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      • tyler@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Someone linked them above in this thread.

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  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Not sure about kbin and mbin but the difference is lemmy is owned by left wing devs who focus on stability while piefed is owned by conservative liberals who focus on bleeding edge and rapidly implementing half baked features (if you like this than good for you I guess, also with lemmy the personal politics of the devs dont really extend much beyond their instance while piefed is more than happy to enforce politics through code).

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    • Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Mod tools on PieFed are vastly better than on Lemmy. And that’s not a political statement.

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  • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The dev of Lemmy is an asshole full stop. He’s also incredibly pro Russian and pro Chinese, but first and foremost, he’s an intolerable asshole.

    You’ll get banned from his Lemmy instance if you dare to suggest that Russia or China issue propaganda.

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  • Gullible@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Kbin is pure kbin, made by Ernest, who is lovely but sick. Can browse lemmy/kbin/mbin content.

    Mbin is kbin but with forked updates and frontend changes.

    Lemmy can browse kbin/mbin/lemmy content. Created by Davel and nutomic.

    Piefed, im not sure about. Very different interface and sorting.

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    • cabbage@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It seems Ernest recovered, and just decided to step away!

      Unfortunately, due to personal circumstances, I had to step away from actively working on Kbin and leave its further development to the community. Nevertheless, I am happy to see the project thriving, with a dedicated group of users and contributors who continue to push its vision forward.

      Open-source has always been important to me, and while I am no longer involved with Kbin, I still believe in the power of community and the potential of open technologies to shape the future of the internet.

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  • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Piefed has tools to help spot and remove AI content, and you can react to posts with emojis

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  • trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They’re all really similar but the difference is updawg

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    • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What’s that?

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      • BlindFrog@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Not much, what’s up with – oh wait

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    • daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is that like ligma?

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  • fizzle@quokk.au ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    All work with the activitypub protocol and are interoperable. There are others which are more like microblogging instead of post aggregation, like mastodon.

    Lemmy is the most popular but the dev has some strongly held ideological views which… are unusual. I’d prefer not to support their work on that basis.

    Piefed is IMO a direct alternative to Lemmy. I switched to piefed several months ago and there’s nothing missing. On mobile I just use a browser to access my instance’ web page. It’s fine.

    mbin and kbin aren’t viable alternatives for most users.

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    • Bazell@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Not each lemmy instance has political admins. It is like a room full of different people, among which there are science groups too.

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      • fizzle@quokk.au ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You don’t seem to understand.

        The guy who develops the software that runs on all the instances has strongly held political and societal views which are incompatible with mine.

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  • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Unless the dev of kbin returns, it’s best to just forget it and think of me in instead.

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