F*ck off Arnie, you're out of your element!

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• flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Americans will do anything except proportional representation

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  • ceenote@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It would be a full rewrite of the first article of the constitution, so it’s not really on the table.

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    • flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      So I went and looked it up

      Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; …

      If I’m interpreting this correctly, representatives are proportioned among states based on population. But there is no provision specifying that within a state the election must be based on electoral districts.

      And according to Wikipedia

      States entitled to more than one representative are divided into single-member districts. This has been a federal statutory requirement since 1967 pursuant to the act titled An Act For the relief of Doctor Ricardo Vallejo Samala and to provide for congressional redistricting.[21] Before that law, general ticket representation was used by some states.

      There doesn’t seem to be any constitutional requirements for electoral districts. It’s regulated by a law but not constitution, which should make it easier to modify.

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    • Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      never heard that
      please explain

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    • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Thats what amendments are for.

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• carrylex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The way this meme was designed feels like a violation of the geneva convention.

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• LesserAbe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I haven’t seen any news about Arnold commenting on this situation, can you share?

  That said, I’m a socialist, I’ve been campaigning against gerrymandering in my state since 2016, and I think blue states getting rid of their independent redistricting commissions (if they have them) is a really bad idea.

  Yes, the situation is terrible, and I’m glad the Texas Dems fled to prevent quorum. I think extreme measures are called for. I also think they should be extreme measures that increase democratic rule, not reduce it.

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  • moakley@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Preventing Republicans from keeping control of congress is likely essential to preserving whatever is left of democracy in the US. If it’s not already too late.

    Further gerrymandering in blue states could be walked back. Maybe it never will be. But the longer Republicans are in control, the more damage they’ll do to democracy.

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    • LesserAbe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The people we send to Congress have to answer to voters. We’ve seen how little resistance elites and organizations have put up, even ones ostensibly on our side.

      “Our” representatives who come from gerrymandered districts will owe their seat to party leaders, not the voters. So they will cater to those leaders, not voters.

      Would they take some actions which counter Trump? Yes. Will they take drastic actions to actually prevent further fascist advances? Probably not. Because most Democratic leaders are out of touch and answer to big donors. They’re not going to pack the supreme court, they’re not going to make DC a state, etc.

      I’m a little sympathetic to Newsom’s talk about a referendum vote on having gerrymandered districts only for five years. But I think if he moves ahead with that it should be tied explicitly to what Texas does. If Texas passes their crooked map then the California map is revised too, otherwise nothing happens.

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• SPRUNT@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Schwarzenegger hasn’t been the governor of California since 2011. What are you expecting him to do?

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• electric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Isn’t the redistricting going to happen no matter what? I haven’t read any news about Arnie’s involvement but if he’s supervising, that’s a good thing no?

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If Arnie was supervising, the outcome would likely favor his party, since he only cares when the other party is doing it.

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  • LesserAbe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Do you mean the redistricting in Texas? That’s why the Dem reps left the state, because they know they would lose the vote, but if they deny “quorum” (aka that there’s enough people to hold a session of the legislature) then a vote can’t be held.

    This same thing actually happened in Texas back in 2003, but the Dems caved that time. Article: talkingpointsmemo.com/…/texas-redistricting-quoru…

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    • electric@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh so that’s why they left? I was so confused about that situation because either PBS never said why or I missed it. Nor did any discussions I read about it.

      No wonder they want the fucking FBI on them.

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