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• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The way they made people work for wages started at the barrel of a gun. “We take your (public) land, now you work in a factory or starve”. All the rest you think are due to Capitalism, is in fact the victories of the working class struggles, which they’ve been trying to dismantle for the past century. If anything the system resets itself to its original form.

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  • zarathustrad@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Fairly certain wages existed before guns.

    But “end of a pointy stick” lacks gravitas.

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    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Wages existed in feudalism, but we don’t call any system which has money and wages capitalism. For that we need that wage slavery is the primary mode of production.

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• hansolo@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Not at all. This person is only describing life/work in some of the post-WII developed world. Historically, this is the anomaly, not the norm.

  For a large part of recorded history, the formula was that land/resource holders offered anyone the cheapest, lousiest, and worst acceptable conditions in exchange for work. The conditions of the resource holders also actually sucked, and when leveraging economies of scale, offers of relative physical and economic security (sure, you’ll be kinda poor, but you don’t have to travel to another town to sell grain to survive because the Lord will always buy it from you at a “fair” rate.) were typically the value add that made it worth it to consider share-cropping under nobility as opposed to simply going it alone.

  I’m not sure why Reddit and Lemmy seem so hell-bent on this fantasy version of history where farming is a joy denied us by the wealthy, but its hilariously misguided. Considering where things are headed, it sounds like for many it will end up being a dangerously wrong fantasy that others can take advantage of easily, and people that post things like this will learn the lesson first hand.

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  • Nojustice@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I think it’s just an American thing. We’ve heavily romanticized the post war agricultural lifestyle and fall back on it as a historical default similar to the “American dream” of the same era

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• pyre@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  why use carrot when stick work

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• massacre@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  ‘I got a powerful need to eat’

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• minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  We’ve long since discarded the faggy liberal Democrat reward system with the superior punishment system. /s

  We’ve gone from the reward being more happiness to the reward being less suffering.

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  • Grostleton@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Even that is a pretty optimistic outlook, it’s more like a slightly slower increase in suffering over time rather than any sort of net decrease as a reward.

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    • minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Wage stagnating and unbalanced wealth distribution is a reward decrease, imo.

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• ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  No, the way they got people to work was by enslaving them; then by “it’s not slavery, you just can’t leave without my permission” serfdom; then by forcing rural families to migrate to cities because mr landowner bought everything (or killed the owners), so that the factories could pay poverty level salaries; then, when workers got too riled up, by outsourcing work to wherever people were desperate enough to accept 10% of the pay.

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  • zarathustrad@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I think you missed the part just prior to slavery where we had to work to avoid starving to death naked and alone exposed the elements.

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    • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I guess, but that wasn’t the kind of labor that made you wish for death, either yours or somebody else’s

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• ObtuseDoorFrame@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This is not a shitpost. Politics need to stop leaking into shitposting and meme subs.

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  • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Anything goes

    The mods disagree on this one

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  • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Welcome to Lemmy Shitpost. Here you can shitpost to your hearts content. Anything and everything goes. Memes, Jokes, Vents and Banter. Though we still have to comply with lemmy.world instance rules. So behave!

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• NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  How is that not true anymore? Here in the UK home ownership is increasingly a dream for the younger people so guess what - you’re 100% reliant on work/pay to make rent

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  • SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    When I was a child to my early twenties, we had holidays, we did a lot of cycling, we went skiing…all of this achieved on a low level bank and car factory employee wages.

    I couldn’t afford to do that for my partner and step children. The comment above yours paints it as being pain and less pain. You’re on the right lines but you’re misinterpreting it.

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What the image mentions was true for a few decades and for a minority of humans only. Home ownership is still at a very high level compared to what it was even 100 years ago. Hell, you should know that if you’re from the UK, people used to live in towns that were developed and owned by the factory owners, that’s how they managed to move people from rural regions to the city so quickly, outside of that, housing in the city was no better than the slums we see all over the world these days.

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    • Christobootswiththepher@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If you go back far enough, weren’t 100% of homes privately owned?

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• Christobootswiththepher@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Land taxes were invented to stop people relaxing

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  • zarathustrad@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Probably because the people who relaxed would soon be murdered by a more organized group with better nutrition, numbers, or weapons.

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• Diddlydee@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I mean, sure plenty of folks don’t earn enough to do those things, but plenty do. You work simply because you’re not getting anything for free.

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  • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, what if only, I dunno, less than 10% of the world population is actually earning enough to not have to worry about cost of living, owning a home and caring for their families? No biggie!!

    /s

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    • Diddlydee@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      More than 60% of adults the world over own a home though. Nearly everyone has money worries, whether you’re earning a pittance or a good wage. Most people might be 1 or 2 paychecks from being broke or homeless, but the majority of people manage within their means to feed, clothe, and house themselves and their families, even if it is tough.

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• SomGye@dormi.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’m just waiting for my sweet neighborhood reaper to take me home at this point.

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  • kat_angstrom@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Don’t give up! Positive changes are possible, and even You can perform big actions to make a huge positive difference in the world. Any one of us can be a Luigi with the right opportunity <3

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    • SomGye@dormi.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Thank you, I appreciate it 🙏 and Luigi is awesome.

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• Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Food and roof. Two hots and a cot.

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• turnip@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This is because boomers now consume less, so currency needs to be debased to provide the level of consumption to increase, to match 2% inflation.

  The less people consume as demographics age the more repressed the youth will be. It locks up inelastic goods behind massive debt.

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  • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s not the boomers that are hoarding wealth and not spending it, it’s the top 0.1%

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