What's the difference between a hostage and a prisoner?

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• superkret@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People imprisoned by legitimate, lawful governments are prisoners, never hostages, because the government wouldn’t arrest people without legal basis.

  Terrorist groups can never take prisoners, only hostages, because they have no legal basis and no legitimacy.

  That’s the framing this headline is going for.

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  • yesman@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just a reminder that Hamas is the recognized government in Gaza. Israel reminds us of this fact constantly in it’s attempts to justify their collective punishment. But I see now that Hamas have Schrodinger’s legitimacy.

    The framing their going for is worthy victims vs. unworthy. It’s a pillar in the project of acceptable mass murder.

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• CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A hostage implies the purpose of holding that person is as leverage to extract some concession from someone, whereas a prisoner does not necessarily imply that intent and could be held for any reason?

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  • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The article’s inaccurate then. Israel arrests numerous Palestinians as leverage.

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• jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Losely speaking, prisionaires are people who committed crimes, while hostages are innocent civilians. I’ve no idea if that accurately describes the situation here, I’m just answering your question.

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  • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It does not, none of the people Israel kidnapped were charged or convicted of any crime, and were kidnapped outside of Israel.

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• gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hostages are taken from their homes or jobs with the express intent to threaten their lives, and exchange them for a political outcome.

  Prisoners are apprehended in association with criminal activity, with intent to persue charges and criminal trial. They are held at designated prisons, which are subject to local and international monitoring.

  We don’t even know how many of the hostages are alive or dead.

  This attempt at moral equivalence is repugnant.

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  • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Prisoners are apprehended in association with criminal activity, with intent to persue charges and criminal trial. They are held at designated prisons, which are subject to local and international monitoring.

    So not a word that describes the people Israel kidnapped.

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    • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hostages are taken from their homes or jobs with the express intent to threaten their lives, and exchange them for a political outcome.

      While this describes them perfectly.

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• Binette@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Welcome to the BBC!

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• psion1369@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If I’m doing it, I have prisoners. If you do it, you have hostages.

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• Reverendender@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Those prisoners know what they did

  ~/s~

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• meldrik@lemmy.wtf ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In this context, there’s no difference.

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  • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Did Hamas provide trials for the hostages for the specific crimes they were accused of? No, they just took them. Even if it is a sham trial there is a difference between a hostage and a prisoner.

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    • meldrik@lemmy.wtf ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Neither did Israel though, for the thousands of hostages they hold.

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    • criticalinvite@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think the implication was that the prisoners are actually hostages too.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Did Hamas provide trials for the hostages for the specific crimes they were accused of?

      Did Israel?

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