Funny but English as a Lingua Franca is a thing. English has become a widely understood international language so its not just used to talk to native English speakers but as a common language between non-native speakers.
Do they also know C++ or Python?
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ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 2 years ago
Llewellyn@lemm.ee 2 years ago
English as a Lingua Franca.
I bet frenchies are so salty about itSlopppyEngineer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 years ago
Italians (Latin) and Greeks were salty before them. And the Anglo-Saxons will be salty when Chinese, Indian or an African language becomes the new lingua franca. That’s
droans@lemmy.world 2 years ago
The term lingua franca derives from Mediterranean Lingua Franca (also known as Sabir), the pidgin language that people around the Levant and the eastern Mediterranean Sea used as the main language of commerce and diplomacy from late medieval times to the 18th century, most notably during the Renaissance era. During that period, a simplified version of mainly Italian in the eastern and Spanish in the western Mediterranean that incorporated many loan words from Greek, the Slavic languages, Arabic, and Turkish came to be widely used as the “lingua franca” of the region, although some scholars claim that the Mediterranean Lingua Franca was just poorly used Italian.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Erm. English is the world language. In science and all international bodies. Why wouldn’t we use English to communicate with people from other countries when not at least one person speaks the native language of the other (yes, that happens, and then we don’t speak English)?
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 years ago
There are 10 types of people in the world.
Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.
mhswtf@lemm.ee 2 years ago
That’s only 2 types of people, IDIOT!
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 years ago
Well we know which type you are.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 2 years ago
¡Me encanta este meme.!
Solaris1789@jlai.lu 2 years ago
J’aime ce moimoi!
Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago
Putain, donc meme devient moi-moi en français. Je viens juste de comprendre le truc. J’étais grave confus avant en lisant les com.
Dicska@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Especialmente porque el tipo es un actor hispanohablante.
Emomilol@lemmy.wtf 2 years ago
Pero con un acento fatal
WaffleFriends@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Мне также нравится этот мем!
Shinhoshi@lemmy.world 2 years ago
すみません、英語で話していませんよ。
June@lemm.ee 2 years ago
And I deeply appreciate it.
I learned Spanish in high school, but I never really had the opportunity to use it (grew up in a very insulated community where minorities weren’t exactly celebrated and ‘you’re in America speak English was a common sentiment) and lost it. I can still say ‘your mom smells like cheese when it’su see water’ and a few other things, but any semblance of conversational Spanish is gone.
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 years ago
I used to get mad at this meme because as an american we have a worse time in school learning other languages than europeans do. But I’ve dropped the shame and started spanish again from almost nothing. Maybe one day I’ll be fluent.
Gadg8eer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago
This. I appreciate everyone who has learned English, but more so than that I think having to learn it before moving to an English speaking country like mine is like expecting a baby to walk before it has been born. Take it from a half-Colombian who can’t understand a word of what my mom says on the phone to family members and friends, if you want someone to learn a language, the easiest way is complete immersion into a society that speaks it.
Worst of all is any asshole who, say, goes to Mexico and thinks “because I’m an American and we are nationally owed $$ by Mexico I am entitled to be so arrogant as to think people should have to speak English when I go to Mexico on vacation”. It’s not just America to Mexico obviously, I could say Quebecios to Western Canada or Englishman to (insert country here) or Chinese to (insert country here) but I’m sure you get the general formula. Arrogant wealthier-than-average tourist, different culture with less material wealth, inevitable offensively bigoted comment.
In such a case, I would absolutely tell the arrogant tourist that just because they’re rich and live in Nation X, does not make them entitled to being catered to, albeit with more colorful language because somehow idiots like that tend to realise they’ve gone too far and either apologize and stop or give one last angry quip and storm off to ragequit the conversation.
The meme feels too accusatory, but I understand that language-wise I got lucky and most people have to work up to knowing a language with critical user mass. I will never expect anyone to HAVE to speak my language for any reason.
I mean, with the specific caveat that if it’s an emergency and they know some English, ANY at all, we should probably go as far as we can to speak each other’s languages in a temporary pidgin until nobody is hurt or in danger. Aside from such time-sensitive situations, I’m definitely willing to learn from them as long as they acknowledge I hope they try to learn some English from me, but no obligation should be involved either way.
vsis@feddit.cl 2 years ago
I envy native english speakers. They don’t have to waste time learning english.
Blimp7990@reddthat.com 2 years ago
english is a beautiful mess, made worse and better by every culture we assimilate
VanRijn29@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Resistance is futile!
vreraan@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
In my country I speak my language because others doesn’t speak my dialect.
VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 2 years ago
I speak (well, mostly write) English because it’s the only language that the vast majority of the world knows, including my girlfriend.
Also, I’m a linguaphile and it has more words for me to play with than any other language 😁
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Also, I’m a linguaphile and it has more words for me to play with than any other language 😁
You are definitely missing a few…
Gadg8eer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago
Dude, I get it, but I don’t have anything against you and I’m not demanding you learn English to cater to me.
Please stop assuming I’m racist or selfish for only knowing the language my parents spoke most when I was a baby, I probably could have picked up Spanish from my mom’s family but sending a teenager with Asperger’s like me to stay with relatives in South America in 2007 like my normal-brained brother did as a foreign exchange student would have been infeasible.
I just want to write speculative fiction in my own language and in return be grateful to people who are willing to learn a trade language, not be told I’m a monster just for speaking only a language that’s commonplace, is that too much to ask?
bi_tux@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Sprich Deutsch, du elendiger Englisch sprechender Hurensohn!
pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 2 years ago
No. Get over the fact that English is the common speech of the world. And be grateful you even can learn new languages; not all of us can.
wieson@lemmy.world 2 years ago
It’s not about you personally, more about the education system in some countries versus others.
Gadg8eer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago
That’s a fair assessment. Sorry if I was over-reactive.
ToyDork@lemmy.zip 2 years ago
I mean, fair enough. In North America everyone who was born here knows English even if they’re African-American or First Nations, but I could see why in most African nations it’s unfair to be focusing on English as anything more than a highly-recommended option in schools.
jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org 2 years ago
All is good, no need to change one’s self to conform to what others think. All we can do is keep on trying to learn.
The meme was meant to be taken as a joke, while being a bit smug.
The title mentions programming languages, so as to widen the pool; Lemmy seems to have many that would fall under that category.
Culture wars and identity politics are just tools used to divide.
We shall come together to battle the wealthy class, as the gods have foretold.
Good luck, mate!
ToyDork@lemmy.zip 2 years ago
Thanks. I mostly posted that mini-rant because I’m unhappy with the current political divides here in Canada and in the US being reduced for too long to “self-righteous and toxic” and “intolerant and arrogant” to such a degree that memes like this are championed by the former while the latter use it as confirmation bias to justify their fear-motivated hatred.
Personally I would say I’m close to Center-Left and call my political philosophy Neutralism since Centrism seems to mean “compromises with both sides, even if one side is not governing in good faith” and I honestly care less about the social side of politics and more about its effects on people’s happiness.
So basically, I just feel sick of having to tell all the Woke, TERF and Conservative internet assholes that they are not entitled to having their opinion catered to and that I’m no more a right-winger for something like only knowing English than I am an SJW for knowing slavery in America was only 100% (99.9%?) eliminated in 2012, or a TERF for wondering what the basis is of the public opinion that J.K. Rowling is transphobic.
What a person does and doesn’t know is not what makes them ignorant. Willing ignorance is when you refuse to accept the truth because it’s uncomfortable, but that doesn’t mean finding the truth is easy. As far as many people around the world knew for decades, Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves at the end of the American Civil War and that was the end of the slavery part of racism, when in actuality the assassination of Lincoln was done deliberately so that the Vice President could undo everything Lincoln tried to fix. If you found that out, did that make you a racist until you realised it, or were you just human?
tl;dr: People who are extremists seem to have unreasonable expectations of what a good person is, ironically due to their own unwillingness to question what they believe. I’ve been silently trying to ignore it and I think today I just said "screw it, this clearly isn’t Reddit, I’m going to point out that this meme is actually and unreasonably taken as an ideal to be followed or fuel for the hate machine too often.
WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 years ago
Sure. But I call it American!
Tixanou@lemmy.world 2 years ago
lo siento no sé inglés
Ulv@feddit.nu 2 years ago
Perdon no hablo español. The only frases i know are una hamburgues con patatas fritas y una cola and perdon por llegar tardes.
nearjsss@reddthat.com 2 years ago
Gringo momento xd
lemmonade@lemm.ee 2 years ago
in many cases, it’s the only language that all participants in the conversation understand, not the only one for each.
but to be honest, if I could exchange my knowledge of my native language with the same amount of experience with something else (e.g. programming, math, etc.) I might take that deal (after moving to a primarily english speaking country of course).
gibbosus@thegarden.land 2 years ago
Would you really? (: Language not only is everywhere, but also determines your ability to express your thoughs and moreso also shapes them, as your conciousness is deeply comnected with language. Your whole worldview is heavily intertwined with it.
I mostly realize this, when I do have to use another language to formulate my thoughs. It just feels like constantly having a giant headache. Just like right now :} I wouldn’t for anything trade the skills in my native language.
lemmonade@lemm.ee 2 years ago
not sure if I would, but I will definitely not rule that out. I think almost anything you learn changes how you think and can express your thoughts, although language does it in a more direct way.
eochaid@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I write simple explanations in english because developers can only write simple instructions in code.
Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Cause no one uses pig latin anymore. Uckfay hetay olicepay
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
And then the Anglos complain that they don’t get the professional opportunities that those who know multiple languages get.
seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 2 years ago
Esperanto estas la plej bona kaj utila internacia lingvo.
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago
You speak Esperanto because it’s the only language nobody knows.
seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 2 years ago
Tio estas amuza; mi konas multajn en mia urbo.
norawibb@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
toki pona
darcy@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
describe the difference between a sheep and a goat
darcy@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
finfine mi trovas alian esperantiston 💚
kool_newt@lemm.ee 2 years ago
I can speak nested languages
puts “this is english”
x4740N@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Well I’m currently learning Japanese but I don’t yet know enough words to make a funny comment here
WeebLife@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Bonjour! Comment allez vous!
CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Mon aéroglisseur est plein d’anguilles
Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 years ago
Attention, ça glisse deux fois plus.
balance_sheet@lemmy.world 2 years ago
못알아듣지롱
Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 2 years ago
En dit is waarom VS-Standaardisme zo’n groot probleem is op het internet. Iedereen spreekt Engels, en de Verenigde Staten zijn de grootsten wat betreft het aantal Engelssprekers. En daardoor ontstaat een situatie waardoor de meeste gebruikers worden gezien als Amerikaans tenzij anders vernomen.
luciferofastora@discuss.online 2 years ago
“And this is why US-centrismis such a big problem in the internet. Everybody speaks Engliah, and the United States are the biggest in terms of English speakers. And through that a situation occurs where most users are seen as Americans, unless stated otherwise”
About right?
Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I would translate VS-standaardisme to US defaultism, and beyond that, you’re pretty much spot on.
original_ish_name@lemm.ee 2 years ago
I honestly think we need to standardize language. English is the most widely spoken langauge in the world and (nearly) anyone can speak it so it’s a good contender. Most programming languages use English
#include int main(){ printf("hello world!\n"); return 0; }
And honestly as much as it makes my heart cry to say this, American English is more efficient. After all it might be a one letter difference but why include “u” in color? If I remember correctly the “u” was dropped because adverts used to be payed per each character, and even today considering the usage of color tags in css it makes sense to drop the “u”. Even if it is a small difference in terms of size, it still makes writing faster and adds up
darcy@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
mi parolas esperanto por kredigi homojn, ke mi parolas du lingvojn
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Mi parolas iomete.
darcy@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
pli bona ol neniom
norav@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Posso confermare Si sistema la cravatta
QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 2 years ago
Niente cappello
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Oh god the thought of only communicating to someone with code would drive me insane.
original_ish_name@lemm.ee 2 years ago
#!/bin/sh cat << EOF Type your boring english thing here EOF
orrk@lemmy.world 2 years ago
code? nah, we should communicate with assembler!
QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 2 years ago
Lojban enters the chat
Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 years ago
Weón serán Weón
pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 2 years ago
I speak English because I can’t learn other languages well. I’ve tried. I just am not hardwired for that sort of thing.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Hey I also know some American sign. We can totally write in that if you’d prefer.
I would love to learn plains sign language as well. You know, if I’m gonna live on this continent I should at least understand one of the languages.
Cexcells@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Yes cater to me.
majlitech@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Jesteśmy polką i polakiem
MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Thank you for making your life revolve around mine🥰
RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Halt die Fresse, Bruder.
clb92@feddit.dk 2 years ago
Nåh, det var da ikke noget problem. Nu skal du bare lære at tale dansk, tak.
CybranM@feddit.nu 2 years ago
Finns bättre språk än Danska men du har rätt i sak
zaphod@feddit.de 2 years ago
Ferme ta gueule.