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• friendbot@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I just don’t see how this move and the timing was not orchestrated to manipulate uninformed TikTok users into supporting Trump. The explicit callout to Trump in the message… I have been fearing the next presidency and this was a blow.

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  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    On one hand, yeah, on the other hand Biden literally signed the law banning it. If Democrats didn’t want Tik Tok being banned to be associated with them and to give Republicans an easy, obvious win by unbanning a wildly popular app, then they could have just… not done that. This was just completely an unforced error on the part of the Democrats.

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    • OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Or instead of targeting tiktok specifically, they could have chosen to pass a data privacy law and actually did something worthwhile instead of pointless, unpopular grandstanding. Haha just kidding, they would never do anything to reduce even slightly shareholder value.

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    • sonori@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      As is traditional, the Republicans drafted a law, got bipartisan support to push it through congress, and then after it passed publicly flip flopped their support for the law they just wrote when they realized they could score political points by complaining about it while the Democrats would hold to their agreed support.

      This way the Republicans get the law they want, get to claim any benefits of said law by pointing to their voting record, and get to blame anything people don’t like about it on Democrats, all at the same time.

      Meanwhile there are no consequences to their bad faith actions because the Democrats will just bend over and take it in the name of bipartisanship and working across the aisle because half of them are Republicans, they just don’t want to call themselves Republicans and leadership is willing to fight tooth and nail to protect said members.

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    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Accurate perspective but another one is this was a very successful social engineering of US politics by its global adversaries.

      Dems have been been trying to pull back the moment they released they got played but its to late. Above messaging is additional salt in the wound.

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    • Commiunism@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’ll get a bit conspiratorial here, but if what Bernie has said is to be trusted in his video about oligarchy, up on his youtube channel, then Democrats are largely owned/influenced by billionaires who would benefit from the increased Trump support. It would make sense to do this, but yeah it could also just be a blunder, given how Trump was the first one to propose the ban and Democrats could take it as “hey if we do this, we’ll win the moderate right support again!!”, though who knows.

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  • satxdude@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I don’t know if it’s that ByteDance wants to push people into supporting Trump, but it could be that Trump agreed to “save” it if they appeared to kiss his ass.

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  • azolus@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Glazing Donald’s ego is a last ditch effort to save their platform. This is entirely on the Democrats—they didn’t have to agree to the ban, they could have insisted on higher standards for transparency and data security for social media instead. But banning the platform that featured pro-palestinian sentiment was more important to them. Now all that’s left is billionaire owned pro-Trump social media which Tik Tok may or may not join in the future. Good job guys!

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  • SoupBrick@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I would imagine this is them putting political pressure on Trump to uphold his campaign promise. The uniformed will open the app, see that message, and know where to direct their attention.

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• Engywuck@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  As and European, I sincerely envy you. Death to these crappy social networks.

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  • kajtor@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Social media peaked in 2012/2013, before just before recommendation algorithms became a thing. Everything became insufferable afterwards.

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    • Engywuck@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      TBH, I found FB insufferable already in 2008, when I deleted my 1 y/o account.

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That’s kind of my feeling too, although it’s dangerously close to “better back in my day” given my age.

      The period after they shut down browser popups but before they invented vitrual DOM-hacking popups was great, and that’s a measurable change.

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    • Mubelotix@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Lemmy is nice though

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  • krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Banning isn’t the solution. Thankfully this means less yanks on tiktok now.

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    • countrypunk@slrpnk.net ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Unfortunately they will most likely migrate to Instagram as a result, which isn’t good at all especially considering their recently hate speech policy changes targeted towards LGBTQ people and immigrants.

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    • Mubelotix@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It isn’t right but it’s the solution. I will have to do for now

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  • monsdar@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s not that they do that because they dislike social networks though

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    • Engywuck@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The reason behind is not important. The effect is a net positive.

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• westyvw@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Please don’t say breaking.

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  As predicted, here comes the Trumper Youth.

  Watch him insist on it being run by Truth Social, and be filled with noisy cunt videos of immigrants being hilariously deported at gunpoint.

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• JokeDeity@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  LMFAO. Every single thing about this is hilarious.

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• DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Anddddd the Dems just lost more of the youth vote.

  GJ guys.

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  • Wahots@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    People forget shit so fast, it doesn’t even matter. All that matters is the present + six months for most Americans.

    Shit, I think many 14-16 yo Americans don’t even know who Obama’s VP was, or would have to think for a second a least, haha.

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• thelucky8@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  There is a recent study on Tiktok and how it compares to Instagram and Youtube – (pdf)

  An article about the study says:

  The three-level study, which has now been peer-reviewed, looked at TikTok, Instagram and YouTube.

  Typing in four politically-loaded key words – “Tiananmen,” “Tibet,” “Uyghur,” and “Xinjiang” – the team first looked at what content the respective algorithms delivered.

  The researchers found that while TikTok might not deliver more pro-CCP content, it did deliver less anti-CCP content than the rival platforms. It also, interestingly, delivered more content that researchers say was irrelevant to the keywords.

  The team next looked at engagement to see if this explained why anti-CCP content was performing less well. But it found that TikTok users “liked or commented on anti-CCP content nearly four times as much as they liked or commented on pro-CCP content, yet the search algorithm produced nearly three times as much pro-CCP content”. This didn’t happen on Instagram or YouTube.

  The last element of the study looked at the impact the content was potentially having on users. The researchers surveyed 1,214 Americans to find information on their social media usage, and their opinion on China’s human rights record. What they found was that the more time users spent on TikTok, the more positive their attitude towards the CCP was.

  The researchers came to the damning conclusion that “taken together, the findings from these three studies raise the distinct possibility that TikTok is a vehicle for CCP propaganda.”

  Another widely ignored issue regarding Tiktok and other Chinese apps is that European digital rights organization Noyb has filed GDPR complaints against TikTok, AliExpress, SHEIN, Temu, WeChat and Xiaomi for unlawful data transfers to China.

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  • bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Can‘t find the pdf of the study under the address. Then again, is it really worth reading it: They found that there isn‘t more pro-ccp stuff on TikTok than on the American platforms but less anti-ccp content on it. I mean they tried real hard finding something, looking for the decisive keywords, yet this is the outcome? There is more anti-ccp content on American platforms that on a Chinese one! Does that tell us something about Chinese or about American propaganda?

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    • thelucky8@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      @bungalowtill

      I suggest you read the study before commenting (the link works fine here, but you’ll find it also in the article).

      The study finds, among others, that TikTok users exhibited significantly more positive attitudes towards China’s human rights record as reports on forced labour and other human rights violations by the Chinese government are suppressed.

      The Chinese government is actively silencing the views of Americans who try to criticize the Chinese government and the Chinese Communist Party, according to the study.

      Free speech doesn’t mean that foreign autocratic governments can silence Americans (nor other countries’ citizens) from expressing their opinion in public forums. This is what happens on Tiktok, and, even more so, on Red Note.

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• Vaggumon@lemm.ee ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  People are so happy for other’s first amendment right to get stepped on.

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  • spit_evil_olive_tips@beehaw.org ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    there seems to be a pretty strong sentiment that TikTok users are all idiots (especially compared to us incredibly smart, sophisticated, and attractive Fediverse users) and therefore they deserve whatever happens to them.

    it reminds me of the predictable response every time Florida gets hit by a hurricane, or Texas by a snowstorm, or whatever, and a bunch of liberals come out of the woodwork with the same tired old “they live in a red state, fuck em, I don’t care what happens to them”.

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• Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This just seems like weird censorship/control to me. Unless they can come forward with hard evidence that TikTok is working for the Chinese government.

  I just think of all of the actual hateful and concerning websites out there that stay up and nobody blinks an eye.

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  • Glasgow@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They’re banning it for the wrong reasons. But in light of the ban I spent a day scrolling to see what kinda stuff the algo would push on me.

    And yeah, burn it with fire. At least on Twitter you get community notes and even without that the top comments usually refute things pretty quickly.

    TikTok is just feeding people pure nonsense which is impossible to verify in-app. Everything is intentionally vague af for engagement and the search sucks.

    Surprisingly I’ve seen nothing on Gaza. But a lot of bogus alternative medicine scams and MLMs.

    Great for seeing what’s going on locally though. As well as things like life hacks, cleaning/organising tips. A federated version with some safeguards for fact checking could be awesome.

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• orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Hello, RedNote.

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  • TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Or Loops. You know, being open source, privacy respecting and all that.

    Nah, just kidding. Who wants any of that when you have the little red book instead.

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    • drawaline@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Or maybe people don’t want to join an app with no app (other than a TestFlight version, as far as I can see) and no user base? Maybe?

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    • Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Loops privacy policy is shit btw.

      Better that than TT or RedNote though.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Or just touch grass

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Rights are soooo gen X.

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    • orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I like Loops too! I’ve ditched everything except Loops and RedNote for social media.

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  • dumbass@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I downloaded that and it wanted my mobile number, so I uninstalled it.

    People are weird.

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    • orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I think it only uses it for initial verification. I already get a ton of spam on my number so it doesn’t really bother me. Highly recommend checking some of the content out though if you want an unfettered view into everyday life in China. It’s been a fun adventure.

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• GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Clowns will find some other teet

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