Can one still claim that the USA is a liberal democracy? Where do you draw the line?
That was the case since the 80s
Has the USA turned into an oligarchy?
Submitted 1 week ago by sith@lemmy.zip to [deleted]
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Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Looks like you are a few years behind events.
LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The land of the free enslaved it’s inhabitants.
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
The people saying “always has been” have really short memories or’ve forgotten about the Roosevelt administrations.
There is a decent argument to be made that the USA is a de-facto oligarchy. However, it’s a de-jure liberal democracy and Constitutional Republic for the time being.
exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Fdr was the exception to the rule. He pushed against the fascist oligarchs to prevent violent uprising of the proletariat.
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
“To prevent violent uprising of the proletariat” are you actively trying to phrase it to make it sound like even when someone does something good it was actually bad?
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
if money = power then liberal (democracy) = oligarchy
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
it’s very close to turning into one.
It’s not quite there, but trump is definitely not one to shy away from it, so it mostly depends on who he appoints and interacts with. And how corrupt he will be.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 days ago
It’s at least a Soft Oligarchy yes. There’s no legally or extra legally enforced class system. If you can make it into the upper classes, by guile, luck, or sheer bastardry they’ll accept you and let you run some things, maybe even political offices. See J.D. Vance, a millennial from Appalachia who has risen to the Vice Presidency via guile and sheer bastardry.
But it’s a Soft Oligarchy because opportunities are far from equal. Before anyone starts screeching, equality of outcome isn’t an expectation here, merely equality of opportunity. In the large majority of cases your zip code can predict your future socioeconomic level. And not because rural areas are cheaper, that just means middle and upper class start at lower numbers there. Those classes are still not being obtained. Along with this are several studies over the last couple decades telling us that socioeconomic mobility is all but dead, both individually, and more recently, intergenerational mobility.
So while you aren’t going to be killed or imprisoned for earning too much or asking for stuff above your station, it is very rare to access those levels without being born to them. Thus the “soft” in Soft Oligarchy.
tht@social.pwned.page 5 days ago
Yes, it has
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
Feel free to crosspost to !AskUSA@discuss.online
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 days ago
Sure you can. Until January 6th.
dullbananas@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
The closest thing we have to democracy is our ability to begin democracy by fighting against first-past-the-post voting systems
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
The government controls all media. If they do not control one and it get big, it gets ‘regulated’ like TikTok or even banned. The general public will vote for the oligarchy as instructed.
Coreidan@lemmy.world 1 week ago
A while ago
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’m no fool, they never convinced me of that lie.
50 is divided, not united…
recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 6 days ago
How does one unite that which is already whole?
over_clox@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Ever tried having health insurance from a particular provider in one state, and having a health issue in another state?
You Luigi it.
There ain’t a goddamn thing united about these fucking states, except they let you temporarily cross the borders for a few days or couple weeks or so. God forbid you have any issues out of your registered home state though, you’re basically fucked.
7fb2adfb45bafcc01c80@lemmy.world 1 week ago
No, we will never be an oligarchy. A plutocracy, yes, but I think money is the deciding factor here.
Furbag@lemmy.world 6 days ago
A Plutocracy is merely an Oligarchy by virtue of wealth. It’s not as if you or I could ever earn enough money legitimately to move up to the ruling class. That makes it functionality indistinguishable from an Oligarchy that is hand picked by arbitrary factors.
stringere@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
Oligarchy, kakistocracy, kleptocracy take your pick.