The Legolas-Gimli discrepancy is astonishing.
Lord of the Rings Characters: Screen Time vs. Mentions in the Books
Submitted 8 months ago by Blaze@sopuli.xyz to movies@lemm.ee
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Cochise@lemmy.eco.br 8 months ago
MoonManKipper@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Gimli was turned into the comic relief dwarf, which was a bit sad
jlow@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Is it, though? Conventionally attractive, blonde dude vs grim, beardy dwarf? I’d rather look at the latter all day but I doubt I’m in the majority there.
maegul@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Similarly, heroes are emphasised in the film more and villains under emphasised. Sauron, Saruman and Denethor all having less screen time than mentions.
That Sam is relatively underplayed is interesting also.
Neuromancer49@midwest.social 8 months ago
Good riddance, Tom Bombadil. I don’t care how merry a fellow he was, those were my least favorite chapters of Fellowship.
lud@lemm.ee 8 months ago
That’s disrespectful! He also had a bright blue jacket, and his boots were yellow.
JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Tom Bombadil was my favourite part of the book, and I was so disappointed when I realised that that part had been taken out of the film.
TheBat@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This got me confused
Why didn’t just Tom wear the Ring as he makes passionate love with his wife, so he can force Sauron to watch.
Sauron, who is a virgin, who never had a gf and was dismembered and reduced to a giant eye by a fucking human would realize he is nothing compared to Tom, whose girth is beyond even Eru Ilúvatar’s comprehension.
Wishing to die but unable to kill himself as he doesn’t even have a fucking hand to pull the trigger, he would order his orc armies to piss on him, so that the flames of his eye can be extinguished and his mind can be set free of Tom’s all encompassing girth. His spirit would be released to the boundless void that ripples and contorts with Tom’s mighty thrusts and he would find no solace.
Edit: When Tom thrusts his final thrust and shoots a billion Bombadillos deep into Goldberry’s loins, the impact would shatter Sauron’s soul into a billion Saurodillos and he would be free. When this happens, not even the wisest can tell.
Cyclist@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Was there a point to Tom Bombadil? All I really remember was that he helped the hobbits escape the. And I’m not even 100% sure about that. Also that Gandolf said he might go visit him at the end of the book. Was there some important part about it I missed?
Rubisco@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
He could wear the one ring and remain unaffected by it, laughed at it even. Then he could make the ring vanish and bring it back at will.
He seemed unconcerned by the war, almost as if he knew of and had seen wars greater and far more terrible. Yet he had chosen a side and was willing to provide what aid he could.
He was Doolittle to all lifeforms, his songs tranquilized ancient evils, and he could be called upon at long range to swiftly respond.
His very existence suggested fundamental mysteries about the world; old and powerful.
Bombadil, moreso than Strider, was the embodiment of strong, old roots not withering, remaining out of reach of the frost. Old roots that could reason with willows and wights.
IMALlama@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not that I remember, which is probably the reason why it was cut from the film. There is a lot of activity around him and the area around his house in the books, but it’s more side quest than main quest.
JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 8 months ago
It was just a relaxing, peaceful section of the narrative, which the film could have done with more of.
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 8 months ago
adj16@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The duality of fan
shalafi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of fan, sir. The Jungian thing, sir.”
morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
… Glorfindel was in the movies?
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
In The Fellowship of the Ring, Glorfindel’s role in guiding Frodo Baggins to Rivendell is filled by Arwen, though he does appear during the prologue when Sauron is defeated. In The Return of the King, Glorfindel is seen walking next to Arwen as she is having her vision of her son Eldarion during the journey to the Grey Havens. In his last appearance, he is seen at the crowning of King Elessar, behind Legolas and in front of Arwen. In all appearances in the movies he has no speaking lines
zorro@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think that’s the 0 line. There with good old Tom bombadill
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 months ago
The scale is neither linear nor logarithmic. What?
bramkaandorp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
How else can you make it look like a linear grouping?
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 months ago
make it look like
Data processing isn’t about making it look like something unless you are purposefully manipulating it.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I think it is logarithmic, it’s just marked linearly.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 months ago
Logarithmic cannot start at 0 and would have equal spacing between 500, 1000 and 2000.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Because the point isn’t to compare 2 characters, but to see how one character performs in the books and in the movies.
And for that, it doesn’t matter. But they could have used a bar graph instead.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 months ago
Well, I’d like to know if Arwen’s screentime/mention ratio is 2x or 3x that of the Frodo baseline. This arbitrary scale makes it impossible. It would not hurt to add more values to the axes, and perhaps a faint grid.
BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I wonder if this is off the theatrical or extended and what the other might show.
Repelle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Biggest surprise to me is that Faramir has more mentions in the books than Boromir.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
He’s around longer.
trolololol@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Are you saying Boromir should have died earlier? Dude!
Repelle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not at all, I really like Boromir’s story, but that’s why I’m surprised. I feel like his development got a lot of attention, and even though Faramir was around for longer in the story, he never seemed quite as prominent to me. I guess that duration made up for the attention boromir got early on, though.
chetradley@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I’m actually fairly ok with this, more or less what I would expect from a mainstream movie(s, and the fact that they are good is just a nice bonus).
Hupf@feddit.org 8 months ago
Taako_Tuesday@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Gothmog gets screen time?
bramkaandorp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
A mention is not the same as an appearance, so the discrepancy for some characters could be even greater of you take that into account.
DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not surprising considering the hours of “Oh Frodo!” “Oh Sam!” “Oh Frodo!” “Oh Sam!” Hobbitses are little girlses
gasgiant@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
The balance of this doesn’t surprise me. The shift between book and film is quite heavily based on gender.
The books were certainly much more male character based and the films evened it up a bit more. Although obviously still not even.
trolololol@lemmy.world 8 months ago
How can Sauron be under represented? Who do you think the Lord in “Lord of the rings” is??
It’s like saying the book on Tom Bombadill doesn’t have enough mentions of Tom.
criitz@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Looks like they mostly did a good job matching up
AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, I saw the image and thought it was going to be bad, but it’s not like you’d expect any of them to be exactly on the line. They all generally track - I don’t see any giant outliers.
IMALlama@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tom Bombadil is probably the biggest omission - both the character and all tge activities that take place around their house. I remembered that sticking out to me when I watched the films for the first time, but at that point I last read the trilogy at least five years prior.