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When did Christians get involved in politics in USA? I was watching young Turks clip on youtube. There was an exmuslim guy he said pat Robertson forced Christians into politics. So when was it?

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨karabiener@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

This was the link www.youtube.com/watch?v=REaKV_yJzhQ&pp=ygUNcG…

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think some key words for you to research would the ‘southern strategy’. I feel like people are giving you trite and naive answers. The material foray into politics began under Reagan and started as the ‘southern strategy’, which was a strategic effort in the religious south to move people to the right, but also to reshape what Christianity was and is defined as in the US. This strategy did as much to reshape religion in the US as it did politics, and Reagan, arguably, represented the culmination of that strategy to establish the modern political hedgemenoy we live under. Effectively, our politics haven’t really changed in the US since then (not materially in paradigm or structure). This is also when neoliberalism became the defacto politic of western governments.

    It’s really too much to unpack in a response, and I’m on my phone so I can’t hand you great sources, but starting by googling southern strategy, and looking back to the late 50’s.

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    • Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Further reading:

      • Reagan tied Republicans to White Christians and now the party is trapped, Washington Post
      • Religion and Right-Wing Politics: How Evangelicals Reshaped Elections, New York Times
      • Moral Majority, Wikipedia
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      • Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And a historical aside - the American right these days seems very much driven by religion and guns but, as the above shows, it wasn’t always so with the former and it also wasn’t with the latter:

        • How the NRA transformed from marksmen to lobbyists, Washington Post
        • The NRA’s journey from marksmanship to political brinkmanship, The Conversation
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      • karabiener@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        can you paste the newyork times article here, it’s paywalled.

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    • grognardish@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, this is the answer right here. There was always a latent effect on politics - i.e. since American is so heavily Protestant, Kennedy getting elected as a Catholic was kind of a big deal, but that was more of a passive preference and not so blatantly driven by party strategy. And that effects all countries, whether you want to believe it or not - America's not alone here by any means.

      But, I remember when Reagan and the 'Moral Majority' (which was neither moral, nor the majority) kicked off and turbocharged the whole thing, and that's when fundamentalists started pushing congregations on their voting patterns in an organized way. It was like someone flipped a switch and the message was coordinated across the country.

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  • c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The short answer? Ever since the beginning. Thomas Jefferson had to explain to the Calvinists in Connecticut how the establishment clause worked because it only took them a few years after the constitution was written to start trying to impress denomination specific rules into law.

    There’s been people warning about this since forever. Hell there’s literally a novel written by the late Robert Heinlein called “if this goes on-” wherein the USA has been destroyed and replaced by the kind of society modern conservative religious authoritarians have wet dreams about. He wrote in a post-word at the end of the novel how he was noticing religious extremism taking over the Republican party, and this was in the early 50’s.

    “As for the second notion, that we could lose our freedom by succumbing to a wave of religious hysteria, I am not sorry to say that I consider it possible. I hope that it is not probable. But there is a latent deep strain of religious fanaticism in this, our culture; it is rooted in our history and it has broken out many times in the past. It is with us now; there has been a sharp rise in strongly evangelical sects in this country in recent years, some of which hold beliefs theocratic in the extreme, anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, and anti-libertarian (Note: his intended meaning is the political compass version of libertarian, not the modern right wing group.)

    It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate it’s creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. This is equally true whether the faith is communism or holy-rollerism; indeed it is the bounden duty of the faithful to do so. The custodians of the true faith cannot logically admit tolerance of heresy to be a virtue.

    Nevertheless this business if legislating religious beliefs into law has never been more than sporadically successful in this country- Sunday closing laws here and there, birth control legislation in spots, the prohibition experiment, temporary enclaves of theocracy like Voliva’s Zion, Smith’s Nauvoo, a few others. The country is split up into such a variety of faiths and sects that a degree of uneasy tolerance now exists from expediant compromise; the minorities constitute a majority of opposition against each other.

    Could it be otherwise here? Could any one sect obtain a majority at the polls and take over the country? Perhaps not- but the combination of a dynamic evangelist, television, enough money, and modern techniques in advertising and propaganda might make Billy Sunday’s efforts look like a corner store compared to Sears-Roebuck. Throw in a depression for good measure, promise a material heaven here on earth, Add a dash of anti-Semitism, anti-catholicism, anti-negroism, and a good large dose of anti-“furriners” in general and anti-intellectuals here at home and the result might be something quite frightening- particularly when one recalls that our voting system is such that a minority distributed as pluralities in enough states can constitute a working majority in Washington.” -Robert A. Heinlein (1953)

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    • Kaliax@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thank you for sharing this.

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      • c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No problem, this has been forewarned for decades and if you read it out of context you could literally place every one of the points he makes to the MAGA crowd in the 2020’s.

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  • sunbytes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s a great “Behind the Bastards” podcast that dives into it.

    It’s name is “how the rich ate Christianity”.

    pca.st/…/525c077b-30ae-49ab-91dc-65da7a555352

    If you’d prefer to read, they list all their sources in the episode notes.

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    • Pissnpink@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Behind the Bastards really is great. I do wish Robert Evans did step all over his guests so often and allow them opportunities to chime in. The Kissenger episodes are real bangers though. Funny guests who can keep up and even add to the deep dive.

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    • haulyard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s been a while since I listened to it, but I believe this two-part episode of The Daily talks a little about this as part of the Roe v Wade decision back in the day.

      podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/…/id1200361736?i=10…

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    • karabiener@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      thanks bro appreciate it! :-)

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  • moobythegoldensock@geddit.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    From the start. Puritans and missionaries were here before the US itself was founded.

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  • Hazdaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    This POS

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    • ken_cleanairsystems@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      On one hand, unfortunately we can’t completely blame that POS for it, because (as other people have pointed out) it’s been around for much longer. OTOH, I can find no other fault with your post.

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      • Hazdaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Things run in cycles. If you go back far enough, of course you can find strong Christian influence in politics in the US, but that influence comes and goes over the years. It is one thing for a President or other politician to be Catholic or Protestant or whatever, but the influence in the 1970s on general day-to-day governing was not huge. (as an example, Biden is Catholic, but he doesn’t try shoving it down the entire nation’s throat)

        One thing that Reagan did was bring religion into the White House and marry it to the entire GOP in an unholy union of pure evil. Fuck everything about that piece of garbage.

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    • danielton@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It started long before him, unfortunately.

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      • Hazdaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’ve already responded to this thinking below. Things run in cycles at times the US was far more religious than we are now. At other times, much less so.

        When Reagan got elected, the country was definitely not a particularly powerful force in politics. Carter didn’t try to push his religious beliefs on the nation. Neither did Nixon or LBJ. They themselves were reasonably religious, but it wasn’t a cornerstone of their political beliefs. Reagan changed all that and his marriage of the GOP and the Religious Right continues to this day.

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  • pacoboyd@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You should check out the book “Jesus and John Wayne”.

    It’s a great book that describes the changing history of how evangelicals have interacted in politics for about the past 100 years. Worth the read.

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    • madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Second this, absolutely fantastic book. It also made me realize that evangelicals === Christian fundamentalist. They are basically the nutbag equivalent of the Islamic fundamentalists.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Considering there is a thing in the constitution that is meant to separate the church from the state, I’m pretty sure the answer is “always.”

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    • supernicepojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s an amendment, the first, and the most important.

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  • slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Haven’t they always been?

    One nation under God. As a verse in your national anthem

    In god we trust on your currency.

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    • puppy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Believe it or not, one nation under god has been added to the pledge comparatively very recently in 1954.

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nope. That was added near the beginning of the Cold War to further ideologically differentiate us from the “godless communists”. It was a dumb idea then, and it’s a dumb idea now.

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    • sorebuttfromsitting@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      hey i just use that paper to my rent

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  • GlendatheGayWitch@lib.lgbt ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The US was founded by Christian fanatics that left England because of their extreme beliefs.

    The Spanish came to the Americas and established missions to convert the indigenous people.

    Depending on location in the Americas, religion was either first or a very close second.

    Sure the founding fathers created a government that wasn’t directly controlled by the church, but religion has been a major contributor. Don’t forget that the church used parts of the Bible to justify slavery, which was a hot topic starting with the founding of the US.

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  • Laticauda@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well the earliest I can think of is ancient Rome, but I’m sure it’s been happening since before then too.

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  • fiat_lux@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It has always been there with different denominations fighting for control, not always very publicly.

    Generation Joshua has been around since 2003 though and has been actively involved with elections since 2004. I think this is when it really started getting louder. Madison Cawthorn was one of their contributions to politics.

    Post-9/11 nationalism really laid a solid foundation for them. Pat Robertson was definitely a big part of that too, they learnt from his campaign against George HW Bush for the Republican nomination. Robertson tried to be the first overtly born-again Christian President but hadn't built a solid enough base first.

    The new documentary Shiny Happy People touches on this history, it's a good documentary (huge content warning for abuse incl. children). On the surface it's about the Duggar CSAM trial but it explores a lot of the US political and religious mashup in the last 50 years.

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  • TheInsane42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’d guess since the 1st Christians set foot on American soil. I’d guess about 1497 when Cabot went to Main, Columbus didn’t land on current US territory but on Cuba and islands in that area.

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  • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Better question might be when did non Christians get involved. Before recently, it was basically all Christians of different flavors who even got to play a role in politics. Secularism was more about not valuing one version of Christianity over others, at least that’s the sense I have. The role might have changed but it’s always been a major force.

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  • ArugulaZ@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hey, it's that dead guy! That guy is totally dead! He lived for ninety-three years, but no longer!

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  • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They never left.

    All successful religions have a foot on everything with power. Best way to help your religion grow is to lobby and get stuff you want done. Most of us started with TYT.

    lemmus.org/post/182764 (new sub)

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRoDC71XcL8

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  • boydster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’ve gotten some great answers already, with the most direct answer to the question you are probably interested in being this one from TropicalDingDong about the Southern Strategy. And then people also commented on the further context in US history of religious fundamentalists from Europe coming to the US, establishing settlements, and “spreading the good word,” so to speak.

    But all of that kind of begs the question - how long has politics been mixed up with religion? And from what I’ve read, that seems to date back nearly as far as people can trace human civilization. Namely, all the way back to ancient Mesopotamia. It seems people, from very early on, were quick to identify that politics and religion are very effective tools in exercising control over a population.

    www.historyonthenet.com/mesopotamian-governments

    By the time farming villages had grown into the great Mesopotamian cities, both priests and secular leaders were involved in Mesopotamian governments and in governing the increasingly complex society of a city. The secular leader was called the lugal, the strongman. With specialization of labor—people finding lots of different jobs and tasks to do other than farming work—it made sense to have priests fully involved in keeping the gods happy while the lugal oversaw running the city. This was a crucial step in the forming of Mesopotamian governments.

    Gradually the lugal became a powerful king who dominated governance of the Mesopotamian city-state. While most of his duties as king were secular, the king had religious responsibilities as well. He, as well as the high priest, was an intermediary between the gods and the people. Kings participated in religious rituals. Common Mesopotamians considered the king as the representative of the city’s patron god, the god’s overseer on earth, so to speak.

    It’s also covered some on the Ancient World podcast, skip ahead to about 7:30 for the part relevant to this post. ancientworldpodcast.com/…/episode-1-climb-stone-s…

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  • djmarcone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Zionists

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