Nothing says fair, open, and transparent democracy like party insiders choosing the next candidate in a well organized cascade lasting 48 hours…
How Kamala Harris Took Command of the Democratic Party in 48 Hours
Submitted 3 months ago by silence7@slrpnk.net to nyt_gift_articles@sopuli.xyz
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Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 months ago
randoot@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Were you born yesterday? This is the whole game. If you get frustrated and don’t vote you get fucked harder. The only winning strategy is to keep voting against fascism and then after the election you go protest and raise hell so we can have a more fair primary, or God forbid we can get rid of first past the post voting.
tills13@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Bro what are you even on?
Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I know everyone is rushing show unity and thats understandable but I’m having a reasonable " but I didnt vote for you" moment.
elbucho@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Not sure what you think the DNC was expected to do. Biden didn’t want to step down. What, is the party supposed to run in opposition to the sitting president? Not going to fucking happen. As long as he wanted to stay in the race, he was going to get the nomination, even with his polling numbers looking increasingly bad.
So now, he finally gets convinced to step down, and it’s only like a week and a half before the convention vote. What, you expect them to run a whole new primary?
I get that you’re frustrated, but the DNC isn’t the bad guy here. Let me reiterate that: as someone who caucused for Bernie Sanders in 2016, and was incredibly angry about what the DNC did to him, I am saying that the DNC isn’t the bad guy here.
If the DNC had gone against Biden, “Turmoil Within The Democratic Party” would be the headline on every single news organization’s chyrons for weeks. They figured that going with the weak candidate would be better than blowing everything up by picking a fight before the election. They were not wrong. As long as Biden decided to remain in the race, the best thing for them to do was to support him.
so they just shove californias top cop in his place transfer his delegates and force kamala on us
Biden endorsed Harris, you dummy. She wasn’t some random nobody that the DNC just foisted onto the country. She’s the fucking VP. With the fact that it was late in the election cycle (way too late for a primary), added to the fact that she’s able to take credit for all of Biden’s accomplishments (because she is the VP), added to the fact that all of the funds raised for the Biden / Harris campaign can now be used by Harris, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT THE DNC TO DO???
Seriously, I don’t understand why your ass is chapped in the first place, nor do I understand why you think it’s somehow the DNC’s fault.
Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Find a Democratic solution maybe? Run an actual primary with debates in the first place? An open convention? Allow challengers on the ballet consistently? Not work behind the scenes to push Biden on everyone in 2020 and beyond.
If you dont understand why someone is disillusioned with the “choices” in this upcoming election you have bigger problems than all that impotent rage on display in your reply.
Tired of shills and sycophants crying about optics and putting these power hungry parties above values and real issues. Average Americans have to choose between paying rent and eating. Cant afford a doctor. Have to work 3 jobs constantly worrying about the future of the planet.
If dems want to win they have to win on issues. Blue no matter who may be popular with you, but it doesn’t resonate with the general public, leftists, people who cant make ends meet. Dont let your fear let you lose sight of the issues.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The DNC ratfucked the primary. AGAIN! For the third fucking time. Yes they did that. It needs to be acknowledged.
And yes, they lied to you about Biden. They’ve been lying to you about Biden.
But at this point, those delegates are Biden/ Harris delegates. There is no changing that. We can caucus with Dems for one more cycle and beat Trump, and then wash our hands of them. But this time we need to extract real party level reforms. No more anointing. No more ratfucking. If they would open up the party, we could make it so that no republican ever gets elected to the Presidency. Ever. They are massively unpopular. But the problem is that the Democrats are also unpopular because they run their party like a fiefdom, and the voters they need don’t like that shit.
I’m plugging my nose and dialing from the coconut tree this go around, but unless the Democratic party actually commits to the project of democracy within their party, this might be the last time I caucus and do their job for them.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
We can caucus with Dems for one more cycle and beat Trump, and then wash our hands of them.
Except in 4 years it’ll be trump again if he’s still alive, or Desantis, or trump jr, or whatever the fuck his daughter’s name is. This seems to be our new reality.
discusseded@programming.dev 3 months ago
I feel the exact same way. I’m not just sad about it, I’m absolutely livid. These militant ass-lickers beating you up for it are the worst kinds of people. They ruin politics by shutting down discourse and bullying others to think their way. Don’t listen to them.
You came to your conclusion honestly and it also happens to be correct. The DNC screwed us out of having a choice by closing the shutters and locking Biden away from us, letting him sweep each state in the primaries. If they instead allowed debates and let us see Joe as he is today up front we would have demanded new choices. Joe broke his promise of being a transitional president, and along with his enablers screwed us out of the chance to make the choice ourselves.
I won’t even hide it, I dislike Harris as much as I dislike Clinton. The only thing that could possibly sway me is an epic VP pick. Otherwise I’m going back to third party voting like I’ve done before Trump. I’m a registered Democrat but after all this BS I’m going independent. The DNC can rot for their crimes.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yes, I agree with you.
JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 3 months ago
She’s not finished.
The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 3 months ago
Because they were sleepwalking into a slow moving disaster.
Now it is thier race to loose, because it felt like they were going to loose anyway so they might as well go for broke.
Hydra_Fk@reddthat.com 3 months ago
If you haven’t realized that she and the rest of the staff have been running the show since 2020 you probably should have an ice cream and step aside as well.
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 3 months ago
So you’re saying that she has a ton of experience? She was the one who got us out of Trump’s COVID slump?Sounds like a great candidate.
Hydra_Fk@reddthat.com 3 months ago
Yeah Harris wins and nothing will change, status quo, continue steadily on the same course. That is how dynamic and exciting she is. Just hold your nose because the alternative to a corporate owned democrate is a con artist reality TV show host only interested in the enrichment of his life.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Is this the most straightforward path to getting ice cream?
HAL_9_TRILLION@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Not for nothing, but these things can be had on Craigslist and OfferUp for $20 all day long and are amazing.
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TheFonz@lemmy.world 3 months ago
You guys fall in line with the same talking points really fast…
usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Their account is also only 2 days old which is a bit suspect
Hydra_Fk@reddthat.com 3 months ago
Yeah buddy your right they called him iron Joe because he ruled so fiercely. He made every decision personally /s.
Watch the highlight real of him, he has sucked since 2016-which is why he didn’t run back then.
On the other hand it’s not like trump ran the show personally, he mostly golfed, tweeted and scammed.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Who else was there?
Half the reason everyone people shushed calls for Biden to drop out was the total absence of anyone it woulda “shoulda been.” And if he hadn’t, the same “but will he? but will he? but will he?!” would hound the campaign every goddamn day. Talking heads would go “… and that’s the third baby The Idiot fucked. In other news, is Biden going to drop out before tomorrow’s election? Here’s sixteen people to discuss what that’d mean for the horse race.”
Meanwhile all the headlines on Lemmy are about right-wing bigots attacking her, instead of being about… her.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Even if we had gone to an open convention, you should have expected whomever to come out of it with a massive head of steam behind them.
Biden was and is wildly unpopular. Historically so. Maybe he recovers a bit between now and the end of days. People get rose colored glasses and all, but he was absolutely bringing the entire nation down.
That all being said, and as one who is now officially “in the coconut tree”, she sure af did whip up a frenzy in 24 hours. Its like, Obama level energy on the calls rn. Just goes to show you how defective the poltical “wisdom” that we needed to stick with Biden was. I still think just about any candidate would have caught this energy, but there were real problems with almost any other candidate other than Harris. I also think they left money on the table not taking it to an open convention, but its def a trade off. 3 weeks of campaigning versus about a bil. in free advertising that an open conv would have represented? Also was an opportunity to win back some good grace with voters by injecting at least a modicum of democracy into the DNC.
But yeah. That call with the Black Women for Harris, and then the next day with Black men for Harris. I mean thats historic.
This is nuts, and I’m waiting for literally any useful polling to come out (not realistic for at least another 2 weeks), but I’ve been reviewing the 2016 and 2020 district maps for Florida since Friday, digging back into those results.
I think Florida might go for Kamala. It went Obama twice, and it was black women and black men in the state of Florida that made that happen. I wont have the data fully worked up and the redistricting makes it more difficult, but at least in the aggregate, its at lease within the MOE if we assume things to be ‘fairly’ similar to 2016 and 20.
SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
I don’t think Florida will go Harris but NC just got a lot more interesting.