If you want communism, you can start a commune

Submitted ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

I see this way too often here on Lemmy, so I want to post this. Starting a commune is legal in most countries. If you believe in communism, you can found a commune and show us all how great it is.

You lack money? Well, that is literally what stock markets and venture capitalists are created to solve. If you are ready for an IPO, you can sell shares to raise funds. If you are not, you can get Venture Capital in exchange for shares until you are ready for an IPO.

Getting rid of capitalism means you need to find a different way to obtain funding. And if your system relies on government charity (some government board handing you money) or on taking it violently, than your system sucks.

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DampSquid@feddit.uk ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yep. That’s a real shit post

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- BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I haven’t seen a true shitpost in a while. This one is great lol
  
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KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If you want capitalism, you can start a capital.
If you want sexism, you can start a sex.

Go start a j.

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korthrun@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Ah yes, the core definition of communism: a small farm offer a delusion of independence, which is run within a capitalist system.

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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Maybe I should have specified, I don’t mean it is the same as full communism. But is a way to get large part of the advantages and build support (by showing others it works and its advantages).
  
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wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
How do you feel about capitalism using violence to maintain itself?

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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Depends what you mean maintain itself. From real outside threats, I don’t see an issue. If you mean from people fairly competing, I feel the same way as any unjustified violence.
  
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  - NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Everyone’s boss fairly gives a paycheck while moving all the profits upward, whilst we all live under the threat that is our resume is empty for long enough we will starve and die on the street. Cool stuff.
    
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femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Well that’s 9 iq points I’m never getting back

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- Maeve@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes, I wish I'd ignored this thread altogether.
  
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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  🤣
  
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zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Did you just suggest selling the means of production to the bourgeoisie to fund a commune? I… what?

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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No, I am saying that getting funding for new businesses is a necessary part of any economic system. It is clear to me how that work under capitalism. I have never seen a sane explanation on how that would work in democratic communism.
  
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  - zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Ah, see, that’s a different question than how you get funding under communism under capitalism.
    
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  - Killing_Spark@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’d imagine it works the same as it does under capitalism but instead of pitching to a set of private investors the investment decisions are made… Democratically?
    
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Sidhean@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
overall, i rate this post lmao/10. I wish i thought it was a joke.

Remember, OP: you are not immune to propoganda

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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I know I am not. But I am an engineer, so I am able to tell apart a workable plan and wishful thinking. I have never heard anything but wishful thinking from communism proponents. I know that does not mean a workable plan does not exist but I tend to not believe in things I have no evidence of.
  
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  - redempt@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I don’t think being an engineer makes you qualified in economics, politics, or sociology.
    
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juliebean@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
*then your system sucks

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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Am I blind and don’t see a typo?
  
  Or are you disputing that resorting to violence or relying on the govt. for basic entrepreneurship is bad?
  
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Seraph@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If you want socialism, you start a social.

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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You’re late, someone already commented this :D
  
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- josefo@leminal.space ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If you want capitalism, you start a capital.
  
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Ibaudia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Giving you a real answer, there are many barriers stopping people from making communes in capitalist nations. There are problems with land and property ownership, financial integration with the capitalist system, taxes, and pressures from anti-communists.

Communist nations, as compared to small local communes, have the advantage when it comes to resource allocation, bureaucracy, and stability due to scale.

Basically, starting a small commune isn’t really that practical when you’re surrounded by capitalism on all sides, and isn’t really what people mean when they talk about a communist society. You can’t really have the labor distribution, property, or means of production structures Marxists talk about without a central government at the scale of a nation.

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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Then does the nation have to be a certain size? There are plenty of micronations in the world. Tuvalu has only around 12,000 people. Does socialism not work in such nations?
  
  As for taxes, what is the issue there? Surely even in communism, you would have to give some portion of production to the government to build infrastructure, run emergency services etc.
  
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  - Ibaudia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The size of a nation doesn’t inherently determine the success of socialism. There have been historical examples of relatively small nations with socialist-inspired policies and economic structures that achieved positive outcomes. I was moreso making the point that nations are different from communes existing within capitalist nations on a variety of levels.
    
    Socialist principles can be applied at different scales. Micronations and small nations can focus on social programs, resource distribution, worker-ownership, etc., regardless of their size.
    
    For taxes, while infrastructure and services are vital, a truly communist system wouldn’t depend on taxation in the traditional sense. The idea is for the community to directly produce the goods and services it needs. Again, this runs into conflict when a commune needs to exist in a capitalist framework.
    
    Commune members would contribute their labor and skills, and in return, directly receive what they need. This minimizes the need for a complex tax system as seen in capitalist societies.
    
    Regarding financial integration, a communist system wouldn’t rely on traditional capitalist financial models focused on competition. Trade and international exchange would likely be based on cooperation and needs fulfillment instead of pure profit motives.
    
    The challenge lies in managing the complexity of large-scale bartering or exchange systems on an international level, but it’s not necessarily impossible. For a small commune in a capitalist nation, though, I can’t see that ever happening.
    
    For land, the issue isn’t about violently seizing property, but rather transforming the concept of ownership itself. In a communist model, the means of production would be collectively owned by the community.
    
    For the legal stuff: you’re right! Legal structures exist to support collective ownership (co-ops, land trusts, etc.). The issue is how those structures interact with a dominant capitalist system and its legal frameworks.
    
    For anticommunist interference, yes it is illegal but when has that ever stopped anyone from harassing their political opponents?
    
    Hope that answers most of your questions!
    
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Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
OP, if there was a viable way of making communism work, some one would have done it already. And inb4 if external pressure and/or internal grinding makes your system collapse, then it doe not work

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- MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The thing is, it can only ever work if it is chosen voluntarily by every participant, and it requires that everyone be committed to relentlessly work on themselves to root out their own selfishness.
  
  Marx was right in the sense that humans are by nature selfish, but but he was wrong in thinking that selfishness could be abolished by force. What past experiments have shown is that if communism is violently imposed (i.e. via revolution), people will just find other ways to be selfish. For instance, if hoarding wealth is impossible, but everyone’s income is guaranteed no matter what, people will simply try to find ways to work as little as possible.
  
  There IS an example for where communism DOES work BTW, and that’s functional, healthy families. Think about it: since children are naturally weaker than adults, parents do have to work harder in order to provide them with food and education, but as the parents grow older and weaker, the children become stronger and more capable, so they can provide for their parents in their old age. It really is from each according to their ability to each according to their needs.
  
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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I mean, that is kinda my stance.
  
  On the other hand, I am always open to being proven wrong.
  
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Maeve@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
That's the thing, and it's by design: you can't begin to imagine anything different. Maybe this will help?

https://www.marxists.org/subject/students/index.htm

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- DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Ok, can you please point me to a chapter where the actual economic mechanism proposed are described? Because with quick skimming, I only found abstract philosophy.
  
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  - Maeve@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Go read Karl Marx, beginning with Capital and The Communist Manifesto. Neither are long reads, and I should reread them myself, when I get a breather and my brain isn't mush.
    
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atlasraven31@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I do wonder if a Communist country will just send me money…

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therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Larping lol. Communism can’t work so people can pretend it does

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josefo@leminal.space ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Putting the shit on shitpost, in a very unique way. I wish this was sarcasm.

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