Comment on Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

cybermass@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

• b3an@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Yeah… it’s also a new law in California is it not? Kill shot? Hahahaha. Right. Who wrote this headline xD

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  • PunchingWood@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    It’s like every clickbait gaming website whenever a new MMO game drops and they call it the WoW-killer for the umpteenth time in the past 15 years.

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    • Zahille7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Flashbacks from the advertising for The Outer Worlds, and IGN calling it the “Bethesda-killer”

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      • RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        The true Bethesda killer was Bethesda themselves

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      • p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        If anything is a “Bethesda-killer”, it’s games like Outer Wilds, not The Outer Worlds.

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      • PunchingWood@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Lol that comparison was also going through my head. I remember it being a fun game though, more than any Bethesda games from the past decade or so, but frankly that bar wasn’t really high either.

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• RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Valve is holding up the bar not because valve is great but because everyone else is so shit. I’ve had a ton of issues with steam throughout the years and it’s just… nothing else is better. I was actually excited for the epic store launch and it’s… Well, not the worst, because being the worst is a challenge some places take seriously, but certainly not a good steam replacement especially for low data people.

  Steam may not let me control the updates to steam, but it won’t force refresh my library causing ping spikes all the time as an intended feature.

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• Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Lmao, He is colluding with the rest, not holding up the bar.

  There is nothing rhat differentiate Steam from Microsoft or Nintendo. The only difference between Gaben and Bezos is that valve has a really good advertising team that’s managed to convince everyone he “isn’t your average billionaire”.

  They charge 30% because they have a soft monopoly, it’s basically robbery and it is affecting the indie scene and the quality and amount of games we receive.

  Gaben has 6 mega yatchs and a number of submarines. The yatchs alone are worth around 1 billion and cost an estimated 75 to 100 million.

  Now I sit and wait for the Gaben simp squad to come compare him to Jesus and tell me how “he has the only good monopoly”. Both of these things literally happened last time.

  Downvote me you bootlickers.

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  • Glide@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    No one thinks Gaben is the second coming. His platform just, actually doesn’t suck, and genuinely functions as a service to its users. It’s a low bar, sure, but it’s a good one. Comparing it to Microsoft axeing any studio that produces something worth talking about while they force more datascraping malware and adware into Windows is just dishonest.

    Your comment reads more like you get off on being controversial than having actual insightful thoughts and the comparisons in what these three companies you listed are actually doing.

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    • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Ya well if it’s such a fucking low bar, it’s probably because they aren’t holding it up which is my point.

      They do the absolute minimum, yet receive mountains of praise. Call me when he brings down the cut to something reasonable like 5% or just let’s dev choose what price they sell their games for on other platforms ffs.

      Indie companies are closing left and right, these mega stores and their soft monopoly is having a net negative impact on the industry.

      Stop defending billionaires. If steam was fair, he wouldn’t be able to afford a billion dollars worth of fancy boats.

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      • null@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Your argument was that Steam is identical to Microsoft and Nintendo. Stop moving the goalposts.

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  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I’m guessing you don’t remember what the market was like for indie games before Steam. Valve’s platform has done a lot of work to expose small game developers, and made it economically viable to work on and publish games independently. Before this it was very difficult for small titles without the advertising budget of a AAA publisher to get any attention at all, let alone actual sales. There’s nothing else like Steam for small studios trying to find buyers for their games, and Valve does deserve credit for that because it’s improved the video game market overall to have more people making more games and able to earn a living doing it.

    The other major effort that Valve has made is Linux compatibility. Even before their work on Proton, Valve released native Linux versions of their games (they were one of very few publishers to do so at the time). I’ve been gaming on Linux since 2006, and Wine was great but rarely easy or complete. Proton has made things so straightforward that people have forgotten just how difficult it was before.

    Credit where it’s due. No other major publisher has contributed to the gaming community the way Valve has.

    Downvote me you bootlickers.

    No, you’ll enjoy the attention too much.

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    • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Indie games came about because of multiple factors, steam only being one of them but they did help a lot. That being said, they are currently having a detrimental effect and I think Gaben has been more than properly rewarded.

      It’s not the early 2000s, steam is bringing massive amounts of cash and I’m tired of seeing an other indie company go under because Gaben wants another boat in the 9 figure range.

      The government will never do anything if we aren’t vocal about it and the community is doing the opposite.

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      • scutiger@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Who’s the indie company going under here?

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  • null@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    There is nothing rhat differentiates Steam from Microsoft or Nintendo.

    How much do Microsoft and Nintendo contribute to open-source projects?

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    • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      They leveraged open source to compete on the console front without actually investing dev time. If he could have created a closed system for the same cost, he wouldn’t of hesitated. It was nothing more than a smart business decision, not a nice favor because he likes you.

      Most of the Gaben simps just throw back the same thing, “well, they aren’t as bad as microsoft”.

      Mussolini wasn’t as bad as Hitler, can you image defending him though? Stop bootlicking billionaires.

      I’m also not saying Microsoft is better, I’m saying they are all in the same club and they all suck.

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      • null@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        They leveraged open source to compete on the console front without actually investing dev time. If he could have created a closed system for the same cost, he wouldn’t of hesitated. It was nothing more than a smart business decision, not a nice favor because he likes you.

        I asked you a question. Show me contributions to open-source on the same scale by Xbox and Nintendo. If it’s so much cheaper, why aren’t they doing it too?

        Most of the Gaben simps just throw back the same thing, “well, they aren’t as bad as microsoft”.

        Mussolini wasn’t as bad as Hitler, can you image defending him though? Stop bootlicking billionaires.

        I’m also not saying Microsoft is better, I’m saying they are all in the same club and they all suck.

        No, you said they were exactly the same and that Gabe was colluding with them. Now you’re backpedalling because you realized how stupid of a take that was.

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      • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        They leveraged open source to compete on the console front without actually investing dev time.

        This is just false.

        Valve has funded a lot of extra work though to get things like DXVK and VKD3D-Proton for the translation from Direct3D to Vulkan into a state where performance can be really great! Valve also funds work on Linux graphics drivers, Linux kernel work and the list goes on.

        reference

        The included improvements to Wine have been designed and funded by Valve, in a joint development effort with CodeWeavers. Here are some examples of what we’ve been working on together since 2016:

        • vkd3d, the Direct3D 12 implementation based on Vulkan
        • The OpenVR and Steamworks native API bridges
        • Many wined3d performance and functionality fixes for Direct3D 9 and Direct3D 11
        • Overhauled fullscreen and gamepad support
        • The “esync” patchset, for multi-threaded performance improvements

        Modifications to Wine are submitted upstream if they’re compatible with the goals and requirements of the larger Wine project; as a result, Wine users have been benefiting from parts of this work for over a year now. The rest is available as part of our source code repository for Proton and its modules.

        In addition to that, we’ve been supporting the development of DXVK, the Direct3D 11 implementation based on Vulkan; the nature of this support includes:

        • Employing the DXVK developer in our open-source graphics group since February 2018
        • Providing direct support from our open-source graphics group to fix Mesa driver issues affecting DXVK, and provide prototype implementations of brand new Vulkan features to improve DXVK functionality
        • Working with our partners over at Khronos, NVIDIA, Intel and AMD to coordinate Vulkan feature and driver support

        from Valve’s original Proton announcement

        You should try doing some research before making such claims.

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  • YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    What a weird hill to die on.

    Anyway, enjoy being wrong.

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    • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      You know what’s funny, I used to get this same kind of attitude when I’d bash Elon Musk when he was popular a few years ago.

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Preach brother!

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  • NormalPerson@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Gaben has the only good monopoly, he’s pretty much Jesus.

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• GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  valve being THE company holding the bar up in the gaming space.

  I think you mean holding a monopoly in the gaming space.

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  • JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I think you don’t know what that word means.

    Heck, even if you want to blatantly ignore every other platform and site you can buy games from, which there are plenty, Valve gives devs a supply of Steam keys they can sell anywhere they want, they don’t even get a cut from those.

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  • TJDetweiler@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    They aren’t really a monopoly. You can purchase games elsewhere. They are simply the gold standard of gaming platforms.

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  • turtletracks@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    A monopoly on what? PC game storefeonts? Itch.io, gog, epic, gamepass, some are better than others, but steam is anti-competition

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  • cybermass@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    The reason they hold most of the market share is not because of bad business practices it’s because the opposite. People use their service cause it’s the best.

    The gov only considers a large business a monopoly if it’s doing anti competitive practices to maintain or grow it’s market share. That description in no way fits steam or valve.

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    • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      The reason they hold most of the market share is not because of bad business practices it’s because the opposite. People use their service cause it’s the best.

      I have physical copies of PC games that require a Steam Account.

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      • JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Which is why you don’t have physical copies of those games - you bought a steam key, exactly like you could have done digitally from humblebundle of greenmangaming or myriad of other stores, this one just had it printed on a piece of paper instead of sending you an email.

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• UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  This isn’t about what steam currently is. It’s about what it will inevitably become.

  I fucked up going with Steam. Should have just pirated everything Single player.

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  • RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    You didn’t fuck up. You can always still pirate. Wait it out and see what happens, the moment it goes to shit put on your pirate hat and don’t give a fuck.

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