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bi_tux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Or ml. Or Hexbear.

  Why can’t we have a leftist instance that doesn’t suck CCP dick?

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  • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    lemmy.world is basically that. You’ll get the most concentrated socdem/socialist engagements without traipsing into hunny-cum-shot territory.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Lemmy.world absolutely isn’t Leftist, it’s overwhelmingly liberal and the mods are anti-Marxist, even defederating from Marxist instances. Lemmy.world is allowed to be a liberal instance, but pretending it’s socialist is silly.

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      • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I mean, depends on the day. I see tons of very socialist/leftist memes and content posted to world. That being said, how many times do you need to circle jerk about socialism in the comments section on Lemmy? It’s not like anyone is actually going to do a proletariat revolution. At this point, it would just be Marxists “ackshually”-ing each other. I’m super bored of the lack of progress made in the discussions.

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    • RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      So those people calling it neoliberal are fucking liars

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      • PugJesus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yeah, basically. ‘Neoliberal’ and ‘lib’ are just snarl words many tankies use to mean “Anyone less fascist than Mao”.

        In general, .world is much less radical than many places on Lemmy. But they’re far from neoliberals. The average poster is slightly left of a Berniecrat, probably; that is to say, either a very strong SocDem or a very weak DemSoc.

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      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The people who think .world is socialist also think socialism is when the government does things and that social democracy is a type of socialism and not a type of liberalism.

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      • pjwestin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Eh, it’s a mixed bag. There’s a very high concentration of centrist, “vote blue, no matter who,” liberals in Political Memes. They’re not the whole instance, but they’ve made a nice little echo chamber that makes them a pretty loud minority.

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    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I still don’t get how the far leftists (the types who think soc dems are basically the same as any flavor of lib, including libertarian, neolib, etc) are so convinced that socialism is the answer when there hasn’t been a country that even comes close to making it work. I guess China works for certain values of working, but it’s pretty capitalist these days, and you’ve got an overbearing government that goes along with it.

      Whereas countries like you see in Scandinavia, with strong soc dem policies under capitalism like high taxes on wealth and strong safety nets, seem to be doing pretty well. I get why socialism would be good in theory but implementing it is another story.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The short answer is that Socialism does work, and continues to work, and that SocDem countries like the Nordics depend on heavy exploitation of the Global South to fund their safety nets and still see shrinking worker power.

        The longer answer is that Marxists don’t believe Socialism is better than Capitalism for any moral reason, but because they are Dialectical and Historical Materialists. They track where Capitalism is necessarily heading, ie free competition gives way to monopolist syndicates with internal planning, socializing themselves and making them ripe for public ownership and central planning.

        A good primer is Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the “Worker’s Paradise?” an excellent article that goes over materialist examinations of AES states vs idealist examinations. Another good reference is Blackshirts and Reds. AES is by no means perfect, but it does and did work.

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      • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The Nordics still fucking suck, trust me.

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  • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Blåhaj is here! I don’t recall seeing a tankie with a blåhaj account, and also we have personalities outside of politics.

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      If you check the Blahaj rules it explicitly states being tankie adjacent is a bannable offence, I love it.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Marxists generally support AES, so instances that are pro-Marxism tend to be supportive of the CPC. I don’t think there are any Syndicalist instances or anything, so you’d have to go to an Anarchist server like dbzer0 or something.

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    • MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      AES?

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yep! You got it. Cuba, PRC, the USSR (pre-dissolution), Vietnam, Laos, etc.

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  • bi_tux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    most communities on ml are fine tho, also I got banned on hexbear because I called the CPC (their official name) CCP

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    • barsquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The admins are tankies. It’s just better to avoid it. The smaller their communities the more of a joke it is getting banned for writing a fact.

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    • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I don’t have a problem with any of the communities but I regularly catch the instance ban hammer for asinine reasons.

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      • bi_tux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        yeah, I mean you’re kinda right

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  • PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    db0 is pretty neutral while being intentionally left.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t describe it as “neutral,” it’s definitely Anarchist dominant and the admins and users tend to be anti-Marxist. That’s fine for its audience, but if someone wants a Marxist instance dbzer0 isn’t really it.

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      • PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        That’s fair. I find it comfortable, but I’m really weird politically.

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I have this LINK to the Lefty Memes moderator on db0 advocating against Democracy, is an advocate for the CCP and for people in the USA to tear down the system and abandon NATO.

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  • Malidak@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    …medium.com/the-aes-doctrine-wrong-then-wrong-now…

    This is a good read. There is a pretty large socialist movement that seems to have the idea that to reach global socialism we need to defend every self proclaimed socialist state without asking any questions at all and hope they’ll get better over time.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Ultraleftism, found in the author’s Maoist leanings, is also dogmatic. I really like the articles Socalism Developed China, Not Capitalism as well as Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the “Worker’s Paradise?” as both help recontextualize AES from a materialist lens, specifically from the frame of Historical Materlaism.

      Blackshirts and Reds is a fantastic book, but the othet 2 articles are 20 minutes each and Blackshirts and Reds is a full book.

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      • WldFyre@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Doesn’t China advocate for a two state solution too? Even they aren’t arguing for Israel to not exist.

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I love this article while also finding it frustrating. The author seems to be a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, but also goes into detail about how all the ML states have devolved into capitalism. Maybe that should be taken as evidence that ML’s vanguard party is fatally flawed?

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The idea that China was socialist under Mao but became capitalist under Deng is a common Maoist take and something that distinguishes them from Marxist-Leninists, it’s kind of right there in the name.

        Sometimes when people call China capitalist, I half-jokingly ask if they’re a Maoist, or if they think the best policy is closer to Mao than what they’re currently doing. Of course, usually, the answer (when I get an answer at all) is no: they opposed what China was doing when it was more state-controlled and they opposed what China was doing when it did reforms and opened up to private investment, if they make moves to hold billionaires accountable to the law or to move more of the economy to the public sector, they’re bad, and if they did the opposite, that would also be bad, but if they stayed steady, that too would be bad.

        Maoists and Capitalists are both at least coherent in what they think China should do, in opposite extremes: either undo the reforms and revert to how it was or liberalize further into a fully capitalist state. Marxist-Leninists tend to have more nuanced takes about adapting to changing conditions, in line with what they’ve done. But then you have this other category that’s super prevalent on Lemmy that wants to criticize China’s every move without ever offering any kind of coherent idea of what they actually want them to do, economically. I don’t even know what to call that position because it’s utterly incoherent.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Maoists are ultraleftists, they generally deviate from Marxism to an idealist, rather than a materislist degree. I recommend checking out my comment responding to them.

        The Vanguard concept isn’t flawed, it has real basis in materialist understanding. The idea that AES states have “devolved into Capitalism” is wrong as well (except the USSR into the various post-Socialist states). I recommend reading both Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the “Worker’s Paradise?” as well as Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. The Dengist reforms were a reversion back towards Marxism, Mao had tried to achieve Communism through fiat without enough development of the productive forces and as such there were struggles and recessions.

        Public Ownership and Central Planning works best on monopolist syndicates aquired by the State, that’s the entire reason why Marxists say Capitalism creates Socialism and that the bourgeoisie produces its own gravediggers first and foremost, this monopolization into internally planned syndicates makes Socialism a natural evolution on Capitalism, not a “better society” to force into existence.

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  • gregor@gregtech.eu ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Solarpunk is one. I guess my instance is leftist too, however it is very tiny.

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    • Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      dbzer0 is another one. It’s an anarchist instance to be precise. @AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee

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  • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    From what I know, dbzer0 is libertarian left and therefore not tankie

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    • rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      If I had to choose between a libertarian and a tankie I’d shoot myself with a rusty spork.

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      • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Maybe I should have said “anarchist left”. The term “Libertarian” is overtaken by the Right by now

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      • BigFatNips@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Libertarian left is very different from “libertarian”

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    • Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      dbzer0 is anarchist, definitely not libertarian

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    • gwen@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      but dbzer0 is anarchist?

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      • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yes

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  • rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    DB0 and Solarpunk

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    A lot of bad actors on Slrpnk but overall the community is anarchist leaning, anti-dictatorship.

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  • OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Genuinely there are a lot of people that would like that. Maybe start with a community first before an entire instance.

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• gigachad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Yeah .ml will be enough

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• MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

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