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Prethoryn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• jjagaimo@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  There is a small vocal minority that essentially equates anyone who keeps eating meat regardless of circumstances, preference or nuance. Honestly a large amount of people would take a vegan option if it tasted the same, had the same texture, was as cheap or cheaper than meat, was as accessible, and didn’t require learning a new skill set. There’s also the availability when eating out.

  Antagonizing people like that is a good way to have them disagree out of spite, and the militant vegans always have a way of inserting themselves into every conversation. I had to block people on lemmy because I just didnt want to deal with that here.

  Unfortunately a vegan who is a good person isn’t alwayd out there proselytizing at every chance they get in a non intrusive manner, so people rarely if ever see vegans who are reasonable people relative to vegan extremists.

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  • IronKrill@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Honestly a large amount of people would take a vegan option if it tasted the same, had the same texture, was as cheap or cheaper than meat, was as accessible, and didn’t require learning a new skill set.

    And businesses would stop burning fossil fuels if renewables had the same portability, same output, were cheaper, available everywhere, and didn’t require learning a new skill set. They can still be criticised for doing so, I’m not sure what your point here is?

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  • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Unfortunately a vegan who is a good person isn’t alwayd out there proselytizing at every chance they get in a non intrusive manner,

    That’s the thing imo, if a vegan is alwayd out there proselytizing at every chance they get then they are by default not a good person even if they do it in a supposed non intrusive manner and are by default vegan extremists imo. Proselytizing is in and of itself intrusive by definition imo, like ads.

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    • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I think that’s what they said. Also is your ` key broken

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      • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        clearly working

        lmao

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  • stoly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Keyword is small. It’s important not to extrapolate against a populace based on the actions of their extremist or reactionary members.

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It’s difficult when the small minority is much louder than the majority.

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      • stoly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        But isn’t that what racist say to explain away their racism?

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• general_kitten@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The vegan hate likely comes from people who dont really know vegans or only know them from the internet so they only know the vocal minority

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I know several vegans and they’re all cool. The terminally online militant ones suck.

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  • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Oh, I’ve met some annoying ones in real life.

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• regnn@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Mostly bandwagon hate because of a vocal minority. TBH I find it amusing the people who really ride it act just like they are complaining about.

  Also strict diets require more nutritional knowledge that some seem to be lacking.

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• AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  What am I missing on Vegan hate

  Here specifically or in general? In general, nothing. Most well adjusted people don’t form negative opinions about others based on their dietary choices.

  On Lemmy specifically, the Vegan sub was promoting the idea that feeding obligate carnivores (cats) a strictly vegan diet is a totally rad thing to do. It’s not. They’re going to kill their damn cats.

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  • Landsharkgun@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Everyone who keeps posting this ignores that there has been vegan cat food for years, supplemented with necessary vitamins etc and backed up with scientific research. They didn’t make it up out of thin air as you seem to be implying. Sceptism or disagreement is fine. Painting the other side as lunatics is not.

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Vegan cat food being safe isn’t exactly an uncontested thing in the scientific/medical community.

      pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=vegan foods for cat…

      Everything from it being very hard to balance the nutrients in these foods, in a production sense, to veterinary science not being complete on what is needed for proper diet. The foods available aren’t great, and making it yourself is generally worse. Most of the reports of the animals being perfectly fine, when allowed to be closely monitored by experts, show that, while they appear fine, they likely to suffer long term consequences to their health, and often die of them. however it takes a long time, so regardless of the average lifespan decrease, which is abstract, and hard for a general pet owner to quantify, since the cats lived for years, people assumed it was fine. There is also a lot of mis/disinformation from the pro side on the actual QOL of the animals, both because they aren’t experts to know, and, to a lesser extent, data gets fudged to support their goals. This is not to say that the same can’t be said of the con side.

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      • Landsharkgun@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Sure, and good information for the discussion. This was my point: everyone was acting like vegans are actively delusional in feeding cats vegan food. While there are very much valid criticisms you can have, most people are not engaging with the facts, or with even a modicum of respect. Thank you for not being a part of that.

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    • thecheddarcheese@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      why are you copy pasting the same comment

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      • Landsharkgun@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Because it fit both comments, so might as well save the work

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• General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  They are a small, harmless minority. Isn’t that enough? Maybe it’s made worse by the fact that they are perceived as non-violent and effeminate, because of their strong opposition to suffering, even when the victims are helpless, like animals. There is no personal risk in bullying them. It’s like the hate for environmental activists, trans-women, or liberals in general. I wouldn’t know that vegans aggressively proselytize their life-style if people didn’t aggressively tell me so; something that they share with “the gays”.

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  • Nelots@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The vocal minority of gays don’t call me a murderer for liking women.

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    • blackris@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Sure, but maybe they would, if you instead of liking ate their body parts and would pay an industry to kill them for that purpose? We can only speculate.

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      • Nelots@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yes, I’m quite aware vegans have a reason to be upset. Unfortunately, equating eating meat or drinking milk to personally murderering and torturing animals is not going to earn them any fans, and will in fact push people away from their just cause out of spite.

        That’s not at all relevant to the comment I was responding to, though.

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    • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Well, it’s what they believe. What exactly is the problem there? I have never been called a murderer. There just aren’t that many vegans around. I don’t know in what kind of circles this would be a common occurrence.

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Well, it’s what they believe

        I’m aorry but this is a dogshit justification

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      • redisdead@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yet when a right wing cunt says what he believes about minorities, that’s a problem.

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  • GetOffMyLan@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Animals massively outnumber us. It’s not our fault they are cowards and can’t organize a rebellion properly.

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• Kalysta@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I don’t hate vegans in general. I hate it when they prostelytize at me and try to shame me into being vegan. And this it the problem many people have. There is a vocal minority of vegans that will attack others for not sharing their lifestyle (I’m looking at you, PETA). I have no interest in giving up meat. I will pick more sustanable meat sources sure, but i will not be attacked for my choices.

  Don’t come after me, I won’t come after you. I likely will even try to bring a vegan option to a pot luck for you.

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  • Landsharkgun@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I mean, that’s kind of saying you’re going to delibrately drive a Hummer because it ‘fits your lifestyle’, and then getting annoyed when people point out it’s incredibly wasteful and dangerous. There’s a certain point where you have to acknowledge reality, yah?

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    • Kalysta@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Reality is you are not going to convince the entire world to turn to a vegan lifestyle. Period. And if you attack people for not wanting to change, you are going to make them resist that change more.

      We don’t have the economics for everyone to suddenly become vegan - it’s fucking expensive. We also don’t have the nutritional education for everyone to suddenly become vegan. People have to be willing to research that in order to not malnourish themselves. And most people are simply too lazy to do that.

      Not to mention the massive amounts of food deserts in the country that would make finding vegan options for a fully vegan diet impossible.

      Asking everyone in the world to live off vegetables and supplements is insane. We are not there as a society yet. And I have no intention of driving a hummer. It’s too damn expensive.

      Just like eating a proper vegan diet is if you’re actually trying to meet all your nutrients.

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      • Landsharkgun@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Again, if you view reality - in this case, that vegan diets are better for the environment and for animal welfare - as an ‘attack’… well I really don’t know what to tell you. It really seems like something you need to handle on your own? Don’t get mad at people for pointing out that the sky is blue and the grass is green.

        I will take issue with the idea that vegan diets are more expensive. This is largely an artifact of Americans thinking you need to eat the overpriced ‘fake meat’ - really, fake beef, as they never seem to include mock duck. You don’t. It’s not even slightly necessary. As someone who has been vegetarian for years, I always roll my eyes a little bit when people talk about it.

        I can make chili out of a few cans of beans, some onion and bell pepper, and chili powder. Or tacos from black beans, roasted sweet potatoes, and pico de gallo. Or stir fry with mock duck from a can and frozen vegetables. Or curry with tofu and curry powder. Or a huge number of other things that are all very cheap.

        As for supplements…B12. A bottle of 100 pills is about 5 bucks. That’s it.

        To address your point about inavailablity…I have to laugh. Historically, meat has always been harder to obtain. A lot of vegan foods are vegan simply because people weren’t able to get meat. If you’re talking about prepared food like fast food, etc - sure, a lot of places don’t even bother to have vegan options. But again, if you’re trying to live off of takeout, you’re really shooting yourself in the foot as far as cost goes. Just make some chili with cornbread and chill.

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