I would kind of agree with you but I think it’s more that there are Republicans blocking any way they can and the ominous shadow of a compromised SCOTUS:
AnthoNightShift@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Because this needs to be done 1000% right, there is no margin for error, everything has to be done in an iron clad manner that cannot be dismantled by half-assing it. Indicting a former president is a first in the history of this country, and this former president has nothing of a cult leader with millions of unshakable followers, many of whom are armed to the teeth and ready to burn this country to the ground for him. So this has to be done very friggin carefully.
PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 months ago
I wonder if that’s a typo and a maga webmaster meant to slip in a sneaky “fuck Biden”?
Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
unshakeable followers
You spelled ignorant morons wrong
Jumper775@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If it was really that bad the cia would have him killed. It’s just because he had a good team of lawyers to make sure that when he did anything he did it was either defendable or on someone else so it’s hard to get him.
nomecks@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Haha you think they would martyr him? Not likely
Taleya@aussie.zone 10 months ago
Have you seen the utterly unironic artwork?
Jumper775@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Absolutely. You can estimate the number of true followers he has by looking at how many people use truth social (it’s still a thing) in comparison to pre-musk twitter. It’s a vocal minority. The only reason trump was able to get where he did was by getting the electoral college to believe he was the lesser evil (not gonna get into voter fraud) (and being really, really rich). They have him killed in such a way that it seems like it wasn’t them and he is still viewed as a martyr by few, but not all. Even if they truly believe that he was what they said he was, it won’t matter because no one rich enough exists that would want to replace him. They would be okay to do that.
qaz@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The CIA really isn’t going to assasinate a prominent politician, let alone a former president. It would have massive consequences from delegitimizing the democratic system to causing riots all around the country.
Jumper775@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yeah my bad, you’re absolutely right. Everything I have said in this topic was out of my ass.
Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
scarabic@lemmy.world 10 months ago
In addition to being done right, he has to be pampered. I hate him passionately, but I really mean that. Subjecting him to the indignities of stuff like handcuffs, a mugshot, an orange suit, etc will turn him into a martyr in the eyes of his cult followers. And while the rest of us would enjoy seeing it, that’s not necessarily bringing out the best in us either. Donald Trump is an enormous pot-stirrer and unless you really want the pot to boil over you need to tiptoe around him, as unfair as that is.
reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 10 months ago
turn him into a martyr in the eyes of his cult followers
they’re gonna continue to be terrorists no matter what we do and I’m sick of bowing to their terrorism
scarabic@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Choosing not to aggravate them is not bowing to them. Remember we’re talking about how we’ll prosecute Dear Leader. Get him where it counts, even if it has to be done quietly.
Nonameuser678@aussie.zone 10 months ago
Holy shit you’re in a pickle with this one America.
infyrin@lemmy.world 10 months ago
What’s it matter even if it was 10,000% right?
Even if he was indicted, those millions of followers will burn the country down anyways. Because they’re all self-fulfilling, selfish, egotistical, narcissistic, irresponsible and demented people.
PickTheStick@lemmy.world 10 months ago
What’s it matter? Because a large portion of those millions of followers are going to be in positions where they can do damage. You want to swing every single one to believe that the law was carried out in a manner true and faithful.
Imagine, if you will, if somehow the federal government passed a law banning firearms for private use. Right now. Do you think the police in most places would actually go around and try to seize firearms? Fuck no, and not just because they aren’t suicidal morons. Most of them think people should be able to own firearms. It would be chaos as some attempted to follow the law, and others did everything they could to sabotage it.
Now extend that to the military/national guard (and if it was “millions of followers” burning the country down, the military/national guard would get involved) in the event of Trump conviction and an imminent/happening revolt/riot. Imagine how many it would take to create mayhem inside of bases/squads/etc. Even if you want to be really positive and say that the military had plans for contingencies where they can effectively stop traitorous members, it would still take a chunk of operating efficiency.
So, think of the way this is being handled as an effort by a large group of people to head off complaints that could be made and accusations about incorrect handling that would give cretins something to latch onto and endlessly jabber about, thus preventing a potentially swayed individual from coming to the conclusion that yes, Trump was lawfully convicted without conspiracy because he actually fucking broke the law many, many times.
pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
So why do we have to be so afraid of his followers that we are giving him special treatment to dissuade their violence? Instead of, you know, fighting back or having them jailed too. 🤦
monsterpiece42@reddthat.com 10 months ago
Nearly 63,000,000 people voted for trump in '16.
If even 1% of them are crazy fucks, that’s 630,000 people to deal with. That’s not something to take lightly.
Doesn’t make it right, but it’s another layer of complexity.
30mag@lemmy.world 10 months ago
this former president is nothing short of a cult leader with millions of unshakable followers, many of whom are armed to the teeth and ready to burn this country to the ground for him
They didn’t show up for the last coup, and I don’t think he’s gonna have another one.
Innocent_Bystander@lemmy.world 10 months ago
How is it that different from indicating a sitting president…
TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Like Mueller half-assed it and the end result was nearly a fucking coup. Can’t let that happen again.
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Mueller didn’t half ass anything. He conducted his investigation and determined that crimes were likely committed, but that he didn’t have the power to bring charges in his position as special counsel and it would be up to the AG.
Which is true. A DOJ special counsel is not the same thing as the independent counsel that used to exist, which was what Ken Starr was when he investigated Clinton.
A DOJ special counsel is completely beholden to the AG and DOJ policies and can’t bring charges without the AG signing off on them.
If you actually read the mueller report, it’s extremely damning and he turned it over to the AG and Congress to do something about it. The AG declined to bring any charges based on a DOJ memorandum that says a sitting POTUS cannot be charged. The House impeached Trump over the findings and the Senate failed to convict and remove him.
The current AG could still bring criminal charges over the conclusion of the report, but at this point it’s been so highly politicized that it would be impossible to get a conviction on.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Stop saying “the AG”. Say his fucking traitor name. William Barr. Who only got cold feet at the 11th hour when the groundwork for the coup was already being made.
The Mueller report - as you say, damning - was completed and then given to this scum, who withheld it, released a “summary”, claimed it found no wrongdoing whatsoever, eventually released a heavily redacted version…
I mean I remember it happening. This slimy fuck. He got a report that said the many ways Trump did illegal shit, but since he was the one who could choose when and how to release it, he was able to get ahead of the media by saying all kinds of bullshit lies. By the time he was finally forced to release the real report, it was too late, the “Trump did nothing wrong” story was already too far out there.
Look, I’m glad he finally, barely, by the skin of his teeth did the right thing and said there was no fraud in the 2020 election. But we should not forget that brazen bullshit he pulled in front of Congress and the American people.
BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Exactly. It’s insane we need to remember details like this but here we are.
Cheems@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This is exactly right
TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It was a waste of time and taxpayer money.
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It was the only thing that could have been done when republicans controlled the DOJ and the Senate.
Maybe if people in the Midwest weren’t complete idiots we would have had Clinton instead and not had four years of irreversible damage plus a generation of scotus that is hell bent on dismantling everything.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 10 months ago
I think calling this a shitty take is a huge understatement
Wincing5185@mastodon.online 10 months ago
@Earthwormjim91 I am wondering if that is the reason we are not seeing any of the Trump kinds getting indicted To not make it look like justice is hunting them and legitimize the poplitical lies?
LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Muller half assed the investigation, on top of that corrupt Barr hid all the important findings, and Bitch McConnell swept the whole treason under the rug - that all lead Orange Man to be even bolder with his treason and rise of blatant lawlessness within the Republican Party.
I don’t disagree with what you said but I just wanted to point out how entire republican machinery is responsible for the imminent death of democracy in this country. Not just Muller’s half assed investigation.