Not a single tankie believes in utopic socialism
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Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 21 hours agoThe tankies want Trump to win because they think that after he’s destroyed the US, a socialist utopia will rise from the ashes.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Of course not. But it’s what they claim to believe in.
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
You have a very warped view of what Socialists believe in.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Socialists believe in a real try at social equality. Tankies believe you must murder people or at least ignore large amounts of sufferer to force it in one fell swoop.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I’m talking specifically about tankies, you know that kind of people who worship the likes of Putin and Xi and root for Hamas and the Houthis.
OwOarchist@pawb.social 20 hours ago
Socialists are not tankies, and tankies are not socialists (despite often claiming otherwise).
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
No?
Objection@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
Lmao show us anybody claiming any of this shit.
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
This is very incorrect.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I’m not going to lie, as an outsider this always seems to be the case. Could you explain what you actually want / could see realistically happening?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
Not who you asked, but I want socialism, which requires a mass working class revolutionary party, a militant and class conscious working class, and instability within the capitalist class. The first two are directly actionable through joining socialist orgs like PSL and doing large amounts of outreach, agitation, etc. The latter is out of our control, no matter if the Democrats or Republicans win in elections, and is more a matter of course as capitalism decays.
Fascism isn’t something that can be elected. Fascism is when the capitalist class oversteps the legal boundaries and restricts the civil rights of the country, when bourgeois democracy is replaced with outright direct rule by capital. Republicans winning or losing does not actually increase or decrease the chance of fascism, because fascism is a response to economic conditions and rising socialist organizing outside of the legal system.
This is important, because it means Democrats winning does not stop fascism. Fascism is out of the control of the working class, and can only be prevented by socialism, and stopped once in action by fighting it directly. In either case, mass socialist organizing is both the vaccine and the cure for fascism, depending on the timeline.
silentjohn@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
Could you explain what you actually want
Simply put: I don’t want billionaires controlling every single aspect of society, as they do now.
If you’d like to read more, I agree with all of this.. I also agree with all of this.
what you could see realistically happening if the fascists won?
Arguably, and I would, the fascists are already in control. Just think of the tech enshittification at the hands of technofascists. Think of the endless wars; how much say in those wars do you truly believe you have? Think of the military budget outspending every single other country combined. We are the most powerful and richest country in the history of this planet … and 50% of americans can’t afford a 1 bedroom apartment. Americans can’t afford groceries. Real wages have been stuck in the 1970s. We are bankrupting ourselves with medical and student debt. Nobody can afford a house. Kids still in cages, guantanamo bay still operating, ICE record funding every year,
How much say do you have at your job? Unions are being squashed and suppressed. Have you attended a pro-gaza rally lately? How did the police treat you?
…I want a better world in which the 99% actually have a say, actually have a better life, and we don’t have 1% of people hoarding all the power and wealth of the world. This IS possible.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I have seen that sentiment directly expressed many times and I’ve seen it implied many times. Still see it despite blocking the shit out of sources of those kinds of opinions. Just today someone said to me “if you don’t think it should be burned down now, what would it take?”
OwOarchist@pawb.social 20 hours ago
because they think that after he’s destroyed the US, a socialist utopia will rise from the ashes.
Not even that – they just want to clear the way for Russia/China to gain more power.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
No, nobody has said this, lmao.
raspirate@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I’ve seen a lot of hysteria around “tankies” since I started using Lemmy and I gotta say I really don’t get it. Yes, there are people here who are to the left of Democrats. No, that doesn’t make them the enemy, or secretly MAGA or Russian or whatever. They just… disagree with liberals. I see opinions attributed to “everyone from a .ml community” that I’ve never seen from any of the actual users. People gleefully brag about blocking swaths of other users, yet I’ve almost never seen any .ml user actually being as toxic as they get branded. I’m pretty sure I’ve even heard people say that you are a particularly bad one, but I haven’t witnessed it.
Also, lemmy was created by ml’s right? It’s one thing to have very little tolerance for different political opinions, but it’s another thing entirely to literally just be the gray characters from this meme and still somehow think you’re in the right.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
I think people generally think of themselves as progressive when they come here, and it might be their first run-in with revolutionary socialists. They get caught between their progressive beliefs, largely around the Bernie/AOC area, and this suddenly new group (to them) of people that despise reformism and the Democrats almost as much as the Republicans. It creates a lot of friction, IMO. And yea, Lemmy was and is made by MLs, which means we have a permanent foothold here.
Have you tried browsing hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml? Lemmy.ml has its own vibe because we don’t really defederate from anyone, but Lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net are pretty good examples of what “tankies” are like when we aren’t getting into constant squabbles with liberals. You’ll see tons of queer people, a lot of passionate people, and a lot of normalcy, to be honest.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
I like hexbears cute pictures, even if they dont like me. lol
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
People should run their lemmy instance as they want.
The non stop feudposting about what people do in their own instance is ridiculous. Block the instance and move on with your life if you need to. It seems there is some other agenda at play with those who are on this dumb ass crusade against .ml
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 16 hours ago
Tankies don’t want a socialist anything though
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social 12 hours ago
The problem here is a red fascist carrying water for free and someone paid to troll on behalf of black fascist look the same on the Internet.
zarathustrad@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
A theocratic autocracy will rise from the ashes. Unless you kids have done more prep work that you let on, your not winning the war if it goes hot, and the crazies with stockpiles and organization in place have the advantage over unprepared forum users.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
There will be several theocracies arising in various places. And they’ll all be at eternal holy war with each other.
zarathustrad@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
At least some one will keep the ashes warm for us.