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Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month agoI mean, genuinely, how? It’s not saying you need to be Japanese to enter, just that you need to be able to read Japanese. IMO, learning the local language of a country you plan to visit is a basic courtesy that too many people don’t bother with.
… How many countries have you ever visited to say that
Like, being able to speak the very basics I agree. Numbers, hello and goodbye, thank you, etc.
But “If you can read this, you may come in” is pretty advanced. Like, probably requiring weeks of daily study level advanced to be able to understand.
Solidly A2 (European system) with that grammar(English translation) so 3-6 months (1-2 terms of university course).
You’re right, in Barcelona they write “Tourists go home” in plain English in order to accommodate foreigners who aren’t fluent in Catalan!
Exactly
Jim Crow literacy tests have entered the chat
Ah, yes, everyone whould spend months to learn the language of every country they visit even though they might be there for only a few days.
How are you this dumb? I highly doubt you’ve ever been outside the country you were born in, and if you have you certainly didn’t follow your own thought here.
Christ Almighty dude, calm down. Yeah, maybe my comment was ignorant crap, but why jump straight to ad hominem? Do you think you’re actually going to change anyone’s opinion by calling them stupid straight off the bat?
Dookieman12@piefed.social 1 month ago
“I’m tired of all these immigrants coming over here and not even being able to speak the language. This is [country] and we speak [language] here!”
That’s what you sound like.
Viceversa@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s their country. Aren’t they entitled to make rules?
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 month ago
If you tie the availability of housing to whatever language someone speaks instead of something tangible related to the respective person, it’s racism.
I used Google Lens to translate the bottom text. Do you think that if i would go in there using my phone to translate i would get a room for the night?
vathecka@lemmy.radio 1 month ago
This is a restaurant, not housing
BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Not being able to communicate, participate, doesn’t help either side. Buying a house, without being able to communicate is on its way to forming and insular community and not simply being denied service that is otherwise open to the public.
Viceversa@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Language is not a race.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Do you believe that anyone existing in America must speak English and only English? If a couple next to you at a cafe are speaking French to each other do you tell them to go back home?
Serinus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, eventually. If I’m going to live in a country indefinitely, I’m going to try to learn their language. If I’m in France for more than a year, I’m going to try to learn French. I’d expect the same of friends and family. It’s not racist to expect people living in a place long term to be able to converse with the locals.
If they’re working here for just a summer or two and spending most of the year in another country, no.
No?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
America is a country founded upon immigration, so it’s not a comparable example. In broad terms, Japan is historically a fairly homogenous nation ethnically, culturally, and linguistically (and yes, I know those are very broad terms, I’m talking relative to North American countries like the US and Canada).
If the 1600s-1700s had gone differently, and North America remained predominantly populated by Native peoples speaking Native languages, then yeah I’d say it’s totally within their rights to expect visitors to either learn the local language and attempt to integrate, or be left out of certain parts of society such as restaurants that want to cater exclusively to people who speak Algonquin or whatever.
Show up in Algiers and try saying “Sorry, I don’t speak Arabic. Do you have a French menu?”
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m not an expert on Japanese culture, but I don’t think they have the “melting pot” cultural identity that America has had historically.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 month ago
.world btw
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
It’s not their fault which Lemmy server they were born into
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, team sports!
/s
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
“This is [Barcelona] and we speak [Catalan] here!”
Is this suddenly a different situation?