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Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠agoI mean, genuinely, how? Itâs not saying you need to be Japanese to enter, just that you need to be able to read Japanese. IMO, learning the local language of a country you plan to visit is a basic courtesy that too many people donât bother with.
⌠How many countries have you ever visited to say that
Like, being able to speak the very basics I agree. Numbers, hello and goodbye, thank you, etc.
But âIf you can read this, you may come inâ is pretty advanced. Like, probably requiring weeks of daily study level advanced to be able to understand.
Solidly A2 (European system) with that grammar(English translation) so 3-6 months (1-2 terms of university course).
Youâre right, in Barcelona they write âTourists go homeâ in plain English in order to accommodate foreigners who arenât fluent in Catalan!
Exactly
Jim Crow literacy tests have entered the chat
Ah, yes, everyone whould spend months to learn the language of every country they visit even though they might be there for only a few days.
How are you this dumb? I highly doubt youâve ever been outside the country you were born in, and if you have you certainly didnât follow your own thought here.
Christ Almighty dude, calm down. Yeah, maybe my comment was ignorant crap, but why jump straight to ad hominem? Do you think youâre actually going to change anyoneâs opinion by calling them stupid straight off the bat?
Dookieman12@piefed.social â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
âIâm tired of all these immigrants coming over here and not even being able to speak the language. This is [country] and we speak [language] here!â
Thatâs what you sound like.
Viceversa@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Itâs their country. Arenât they entitled to make rules?
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
If you tie the availability of housing to whatever language someone speaks instead of something tangible related to the respective person, itâs racism.
I used Google Lens to translate the bottom text. Do you think that if i would go in there using my phone to translate i would get a room for the night?
vathecka@lemmy.radio â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This is a restaurant, not housing
BlackVenom@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Not being able to communicate, participate, doesnât help either side. Buying a house, without being able to communicate is on its way to forming and insular community and not simply being denied service that is otherwise open to the public.
Viceversa@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Language is not a race.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Do you believe that anyone existing in America must speak English and only English? If a couple next to you at a cafe are speaking French to each other do you tell them to go back home?
Serinus@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Yeah, eventually. If Iâm going to live in a country indefinitely, Iâm going to try to learn their language. If Iâm in France for more than a year, Iâm going to try to learn French. Iâd expect the same of friends and family. Itâs not racist to expect people living in a place long term to be able to converse with the locals.
If theyâre working here for just a summer or two and spending most of the year in another country, no.
No?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
America is a country founded upon immigration, so itâs not a comparable example. In broad terms, Japan is historically a fairly homogenous nation ethnically, culturally, and linguistically (and yes, I know those are very broad terms, Iâm talking relative to North American countries like the US and Canada).
If the 1600s-1700s had gone differently, and North America remained predominantly populated by Native peoples speaking Native languages, then yeah Iâd say itâs totally within their rights to expect visitors to either learn the local language and attempt to integrate, or be left out of certain parts of society such as restaurants that want to cater exclusively to people who speak Algonquin or whatever.
Show up in Algiers and try saying âSorry, I donât speak Arabic. Do you have a French menu?â
bitjunkie@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Iâm not an expert on Japanese culture, but I donât think they have the âmelting potâ cultural identity that America has had historically.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
.world btw
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Itâs not their fault which Lemmy server they were born into
chuckleslord@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Yeah, team sports!
/s
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
âThis is [Barcelona] and we speak [Catalan] here!â
Is this suddenly a different situation?