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• Dookieman12@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  “I’m tired of all these immigrants coming over here and not even being able to speak the language. This is [country] and we speak [language] here!”

  That’s what you sound like.

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  • Viceversa@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s their country. Aren’t they entitled to make rules?

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    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If you tie the availability of housing to whatever language someone speaks instead of something tangible related to the respective person, it’s racism.

      I used Google Lens to translate the bottom text. Do you think that if i would go in there using my phone to translate i would get a room for the night?

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      • vathecka@lemmy.radio ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This is a restaurant, not housing

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      • Viceversa@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        racism

        Language is not a race.

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      • BlackVenom@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Not being able to communicate, participate, doesn’t help either side. Buying a house, without being able to communicate is on its way to forming and insular community and not simply being denied service that is otherwise open to the public.

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    • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Do you believe that anyone existing in America must speak English and only English? If a couple next to you at a cafe are speaking French to each other do you tell them to go back home?

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        America is a country founded upon immigration, so it’s not a comparable example. In broad terms, Japan is historically a fairly homogenous nation ethnically, culturally, and linguistically (and yes, I know those are very broad terms, I’m talking relative to North American countries like the US and Canada).

        If the 1600s-1700s had gone differently, and North America remained predominantly populated by Native peoples speaking Native languages, then yeah I’d say it’s totally within their rights to expect visitors to either learn the local language and attempt to integrate, or be left out of certain parts of society such as restaurants that want to cater exclusively to people who speak Algonquin or whatever.

        Show up in Algiers and try saying “Sorry, I don’t speak Arabic. Do you have a French menu?”

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      • Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Do you believe that anyone existing in America must speak English

        Yeah, eventually. If I’m going to live in a country indefinitely, I’m going to try to learn their language. If I’m in France for more than a year, I’m going to try to learn French. I’d expect the same of friends and family. It’s not racist to expect people living in a place long term to be able to converse with the locals.

        If they’re working here for just a summer or two and spending most of the year in another country, no.

        and only English?

        No?

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      • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’m not an expert on Japanese culture, but I don’t think they have the “melting pot” cultural identity that America has had historically.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      .world btw

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      • 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s not their fault which Lemmy server they were born into

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      • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah, team sports!

        /s

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  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “This is [Barcelona] and we speak [Catalan] here!”

    Is this suddenly a different situation?

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• BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Jim Crow literacy tests have entered the chat

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• yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  … How many countries have you ever visited to say that

  Like, being able to speak the very basics I agree. Numbers, hello and goodbye, thank you, etc.

  But “If you can read this, you may come in” is pretty advanced. Like, probably requiring weeks of daily study level advanced to be able to understand.

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  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You’re right, in Barcelona they write “Tourists go home” in plain English in order to accommodate foreigners who aren’t fluent in Catalan!

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  • untorquer@quokk.au ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Solidly A2 (European system) with that grammar(English translation) so 3-6 months (1-2 terms of university course).

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  • 20cello@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Exactly

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• M137@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ah, yes, everyone whould spend months to learn the language of every country they visit even though they might be there for only a few days.

  How are you this dumb? I highly doubt you’ve ever been outside the country you were born in, and if you have you certainly didn’t follow your own thought here.

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  • Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Christ Almighty dude, calm down. Yeah, maybe my comment was ignorant crap, but why jump straight to ad hominem? Do you think you’re actually going to change anyone’s opinion by calling them stupid straight off the bat?

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