True, it was just “a fox” for me for far. I didn’t really care about the gender of a drawing. I guess it is a good awareness move though
Comment on Good luck figuring it out since it also doesn’t come with man pages
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 10 hours ago
The gender orientation of the firefox logo is something I haven’t thought about ever.
What’s the point of this?
wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe 10 hours ago
errer@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Feels like a publicity stunt more than a genuine attempt to include non-binary people.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
It isn’t, though. They never said that the mascot was non-binary.
daggermoon@piefed.world 8 hours ago
Awww bummer. I was excited for the NB fox.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Exactly this. It feels like some kind of nonsense spam or troll.
If I was to take the bait, I might say it was to cover for their CEO making some anti gay marriage political contribution. But that was like 15 years ago, I don’t even know if he’s still CEO or if anyone even remembers.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 9 hours ago
To me, this feels more like a PR move than an awareness move. Kind of like: “We don’t wanna do anything substantial so uuuuh let’s just make our logo non-binary”.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
It’s a terrible PR move if you don’t say anything about it. They didn’t say “Hey, look! Our mascot is non-binary!” All they did was use they/them pronouns.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
It’s a distraction from the real important issue, which is…
…what does the fox say? /j
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Wha-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow?!
MoffKalast@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Ring-di-ding-di-ding-di-ding?
Lumidaub@feddit.org 10 hours ago
Most people default to “this entity is male” without more context. I do it too, it’s a bit of an issue I try to be aware of but regularly fail. Male is default, female is marked; that’s why the stereotypical “girl” character in video games is just the “boy” character but with eye lashes and lips and maybe high heels.
So I can see this as making the non-genderedness explicit.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 9 hours ago
Most people default to “this entity is male” without more context.
I have a hard time wrapping my head about this sentence. I don’t think about the gender of any entity without more context because it’s usually completely irrelevant.
Male is default, female is marked
So, I didn’t grow up in an english speaking country, but if I hear “the baker” I don’t automatically assume it’s a man. I think it’s a person that bakes bread and pastry. The same with “the mechanic”, “the engineer”, etc. It’s all - by default - a person.
Now, if we were to talk german, there is actually a difference. As “the baker”, for example, we have “Bäcker” as Male and “Bäckerin” as female. The reason why male is “the default” in german is because it’s shorter. That’s it. If you say “Der Bäcker”, it’s as you’d say “the baker” in english, you don’t automatically make an assumption about the gender. If you say “Die Bäckerin”, you are referring to a female baker specifically.
So I can see this as making the non-genderedness explicit.
Honestly this feels more like a mockery of people that identify as non-binary than raising any kind of awareness. Kinda has some “apache combat helicopter” vibes.
Ephera@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
They’re not talking about language with the male-as-default, but rather for example this:
The depiction with less discerning features is what we assume to be male. If you want to express female, you have to add a dress or long hair or curves etc…
There’s actual scientific research on this bias existing, although I don’t know in what way this extends to animal depictions.
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com 9 hours ago
Its a fucking cartoon logo, I’ve never once thought about its gender identity or called it any gender for that matter. I click on it, and that’s the extent of my interaction or consideration.
Lumidaub@feddit.org 9 hours ago
Yes, cool. It’s awareness.
ttyybb@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
And non-binary doesn’t exist, obv /s
If not binary then how made of 1s and 0s?
Lumidaub@feddit.org 10 hours ago
Have you ever seen 1s and 0s out in the real world, outside your smarty-pants books? Thought so. Maths don’t real, checkmate atheist.
Nima@leminal.space 8 hours ago
to be honest, 99% of people don’t even think about gender at all without being prompted to. especially when it comes to mascots like the firefox logo. its a browser.
this seems like a PR move by mozilla and nothing more.
FellowHuman@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
That highly depends on the language.
Example in Czech: Generic Fox (Liška) is a girl Generic Wolf (Vlk) is a boy
Because our words themself have genders. Fox: Liška (girl) Lišák (boy) but default if you don’t knoe the sex of the animal is in this case the girl version.
This differs per language. And in german (if I’m not mistaken) fox is Der Fuchs, so boy.
I’m using boy/girl instead of male/female, because … I don’t know, that is how I think about it.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 4 hours ago
And in german (if I’m not mistaken) fox is Der Fuchs, so boy.
That’s true, but the grammatical gender has nothing to do with the actual gender. Nobody thinks that all foxes are male, just as nobody thinks that spoons (Der Löffel) are male or the street (Die Straße) are female. They can also change depending on the amount. For example, if we take “Haus”, which means house, we say “Das Haus” if we talk about a single house, which would be neutral, but refer to multiple houses as “Die Häuser”, which would be female. Nobody thinks houses become female once there’s more than one tho.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Well, if I was creating a mascot, and I didn’t want to think about their gender orientation… they/them pronouns are what I would use. Mozilla actually didn’t announce the mascot’s gender. People just saw they/them pronouns and made the inference from there.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Somebody at the Mozilla foundation justifying their pointless job.
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 8 hours ago
What’s more is the non binary fox somehow seems more binary.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 hours ago
The point is that you’ve fallen for some idiots on X making up culture war bullshit.
Kit’s supposed pronouns aren’t mentioned by Mozilla anywhere in any Mozilla announcements.
One news site attributes this quote to Mozilla
That’s the one and only place that even remotely mentions it as far as I can tell. And it’s not even a statement that it’s NB or they/them… More like it’s a fictional mascot call it what you want.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 4 hours ago
I just read the screenshot lol
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 7 hours ago
Mozilla uses “they’re” to refer to Kit, but other than that there’s no explicit statement at all.