Okay but what kind of application is it used for that you exceed 15 ports filled??
Comment on its actually worse bc ports are counted twice for 2.0 & 3.0
DanTDM@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
someone is going to nerdsnipe me so i will add that technically its 15 registered ports per USB controller, so you can add a dongle and have more than 15. a mobo usually only has 1 USB controller for way more than 15 USB ports though, Apple added this arbitrary restriction for no reason since none of their devices have that many ports. so a typical PC motherboard just straight up destabilizes the system lmfao
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 minutes ago
Video. If there is something mindlessly excessive, it’s always video. And if you have tree leaves for budget, instead of slightly more expensive hardware controllers or PCIe cards that can combine multiple inputs and outputs, and do it right, you default to cheap usb dongles per device used, and compose them on software level. If you collect inputs from several devices and output these to something like displays on a scene, while also collecting audio from mics, DJ deck, and outputting these too, numbers add up quickly. This clownshow is further expanded by unreliable software, usb power, Microslop Windows in most cases - because pros use it or Mac, no penguins. I have no pride in greatly exceeding what some random PCs could predictably do, for fixing random errors here and there when USB and USB hubs hit their practical ceiling is just another level of Dante’s hell, for all us time- and harware-restricted tinkerers.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
but why would you need [thing that is already technically possible and could conceivably be needed]???
Are you an apple dev?
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I am just asking what they are doing to need that as I cannot think of anything off the top of my head
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Music production.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I mean, it’s pretty easy to imagine needing 10 USB ports. I think I’m using around that many myself on my desktop. Then just add a couple more for things that may be things needed temporarily.
accideath@feddit.org 7 hours ago
Well, from an Apple pov, there’s no reason to change that limit (which is probably there because of some legacy limitation) until they release a device with more usb ports, which they probably won’t. macOS isn’t supposed to run on your pc motherboard after all.
But I agree that it’s annoying. I was daily driving a hackintosh with catalina for two years. Wasn’t the easiest setup.TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Yeah, but from Apple’s perspective, a lot of shitty things make more sense but I still ain’t okay with them :)
I was thinking of trying to do hackintosh before I switched to Linux. I think I dodged a bullet.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Yeah, and from an Apple POV it makes sense to take away common ports just to make the phone .01mm thinner and sell you a shitty peripheral to replace the hardware port.
Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea or something that people would accept from a company they didn’t have cult like devotion towards.
saltesc@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
When I worked for Apple, I do remember the iOS devs having racks of iOS devices all being flashed at the same time off a single Mac. But I don’t remember the count and this was years ago—like Snow Leopard to El Cap era.
I was just kind of data analytics, but the labs were near my area, so can’t really give much more info, but mildly interesting, I guess?
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 5 hours ago
For my work, I personally have:
- Webcam
- Mic
- Dongle for mouse
- Dongle for headset
- Wired keyboard
- Monitor 2 touchscreen
- Macropad
- Ethernet adapter 1 (connection to work network)
- Ethernet adapter 2 (connection to small switch with no uplinks, for device testing)
- Ethernet adapter 3 (connection to local avoip network)
- External drive
- Microcontroller programmer (universal, let me cut down on a few other adapters I had)
- Serial adapter
- Card reader
- Video capture - analog
- Video capture - digital
- Audio interface for xlr I/o and my good headphones
- NFC reader/writer
Then a couple of loose cables for connecting the random devices, like a tablet for adb purposes, DSLR, etc. Not including the built-in devices on the laptop which show up as USB devices, like the crappy built-in webcam, microsd only card reader in the worlds stupidest spot, etc.
I’d say its easy to hit 15 - thats only the USB devices attached to my work laptop.
wabasso@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
Ok that was legit.
Do you had recommendations for powered USB 2 and 3 hubs that are decent quality? I’m so sick of plugging things in and they don’t have enough power.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 hours ago
Sabrent. Bit more money, but I like the ones with built in power switches per port (handy for testing disconnection events), and the build quality is solid. Power supplies they provide can be a bit bulky, but I mount them in my rack so its not really a problem for me.
Anker I like for their slimmer powered hubs, but those mostly sit in my laptop backpack, not the daily driver on my home office desk.
mech@feddit.org 2 hours ago
Don’t judge, I need this RAID 0 array of 30 flash drives for my workflow!
RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 2 hours ago
Anyone who produces music with hardware and hasn’t spent the extra money to buy a dedicated MIDI interface.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 7 hours ago
Off the top of my head: Sensors. E.g. in some underfunded university lab.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
That would make sense. Didn’t think of it.
expr@piefed.social 5 hours ago
It’s not actually that hard to get up there. Mechanical keyboard, wired mouse, external drives, headset, webcam, other peripherals, etc. And if you are trying to do anything more involved like music production, you end up needing way more (audio interfaces, midi controllers, etc.).
DanTDM@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
one physical USB-A socket on the machine can read as two USB ports virtually due to one port supporting USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 at the same time, I believe its a backwards compat thing. I think there might also be internal USB ports as well but don’t quote me on that. On mobos with 8+ physical USB A sockets it can easily get past the 16 limit unless you specifically disable the USB 2.0 port, which then might break older devices relying on that and it becomes a whole headache. this person explains it better than I can
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Ah I see. So it’s more like plugging in 5-10 things exceeds the limit.
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 3 hours ago
I helped run a Kickstarter where one of our rewards was Mac and PC software on custom USB sticks.
We had a couple hubs set up and cloned the drives 20 at a time.
daggermoon@piefed.world 7 hours ago
I’m probably past that.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
With what though? Just curious
daggermoon@piefed.world 6 hours ago
Hard drives, DVD/BD-ROM drives, game controllers, a floppy drive, webcam, charging cable, a scanner, there’s more i’m probably forgetting.
endlesseden@pyfedi.deep-rose.org 6 hours ago
“so a typical PC motherboard destabilizes the system” you don’t say. Steve jobs killed the external Macos program they had for GSeries and m68k Mac’s when he came back saying internally “if you let competition thrive you cannot drive demand”.
so I think we can guess why it’s hard coded lol
vithigar@lemmy.ca 53 minutes ago
This is not true for the last… many PC motherboards I’ve used. The USB ports are almost always split between the CPU controller and a chipset controller.