Comment on Haha yes society is great

WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• ZeDoTelhado@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You may be half joking, but I’ve discussed this many times with my partner. Society, by today’s definition, do not reward at all having kids. However, for a society to keep going you **need ** children, so wtf is supposed to happen? No children, society just grows old at at some point you have a massive decline in the younger brackets? And then is just old folks yelling at clouds? Also, anothet detail, the mono parental lifestyle we have nowadays is actually quite recent. And I do think is very much impossible to have the expected amount of children on such system

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Every society values status and wealth. This time we’ve taken that to the extreme, to the exclusion of everything else. It’s going to be one of the failed experiments in history.

    Ancient Greece even had those episodes where the rich managed to get farmers deep in debt. A bunch of them just left. Another bunch became serfs. The end result was productivity tanking and food security becoming problematic. Cue debt relief, changing laws, … The rich will always fuck it up for everybody and themselves given enough time, sometimes they learn, and they do it all again a century later.

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    • MrKoyun@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh oh, but this time its different, this time they are going to make ChatGPT do the work of the peasants!

      ChatGPT, please keep all of society going.

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      • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Great question, Mr. Koyun.

        First, you start with hiring great people to do the task you want. Do you need more information about hiring practices and selection criteria?

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  • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It would be helpful if people added where they are from, or am I supposed that if you don’t, that you’re an usanian?

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  • finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s okay. Elon said AI and his robots will mean we’ll all be rich on UBI soon, so he wants everyone to have more kids.

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    • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I used to think he was delusional, his wealth making him believe he actually knows better, but he’s actually a glorified con man.

      He’s done it so many times in the past, where he will admit he promoted fsd and car hyper loops. not because he believes in those ideas, but because he just wanted to saturate the headlines, and sweep aside promoting public transit in the zeitgeist.

      I wish people would stop using his platforms, so they weren’t forced to waste comprehension on the guy’s thoughts…

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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    there’s a lot of negative feedback loops in nature (it sounds negative but is actually a positive thing). it means that when you have a tendency going one way, then that creates a counter-pressure which makes the tendency go the other way.

    so if people have less children today, that somehow will make it more attractive for future generations to have more children. in the end, it will oscillate (go up and down) until it stabilizes around a stable value. so no worries, it’s gonna be fine.

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    • architect@thelemmy.club ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Feels like more hubris to think humanity is any different from animals in this regard.

      In nature this does not always happen.

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    • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Worst case it will oscillate and not stabilise. Then you get generations with a lot of people and generations with very few people. If you have for example pension systems build on the expectation that you have at least a stable population, ideally a growing population, then this will cause a lot of problems, you can see this in Germany for example. If your population oscillates over decades then you need to adapt your society, your government, all the systems to this oscillation.

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  • AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    But without children, who will fight your forever wars and be trafficked by the Oligarchs who want to create 24/7 mass surveillance with live facial recognition tracking?

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  • toofpic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I would be so fucking rich without a family! I can live on ramen and gaming (I am 41, and this never changed), sobI would have like 80% of disposable income up for saving

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• ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You don’t need money. Shh. Have babies.

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The rich have bought out trailer parks. And the factories where they make trailers. So even going that route is being exploited.

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