Iâve found, as Iâve gotten older, that my desire to believe things that are true is far from universal. Itâs mind boggling to me that people willingly delude themselves for a hit of dopamine or whatever, while they slowly lose the ability to tell the difference between reality and fiction
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hansolo@lemmy.today â¨1⊠â¨day⊠ago
My spouse yelled at me after she showed me too many AI videos, and I would watch it and 1) if itâs under 15 seconds, 2) too good to be true, 3) has unrealistic physics, and/or 4) has AI artifacts, I wouldnât enjoy the video, and just say âyeah, thatâs AI.â
She just wants to enjoy the videos, and didnât care if staged or AI or what. She likes the concept of whatâs on the video. AI takes that away from me, and not her, apparently.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
explodicle@sh.itjust.works â¨20⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Oh man Iâve noticed zero difference. Religion, a thousand times religion.
JayGray91@piefed.social â¨23⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Honestly Iâll take staged videos. At least itâs real humans doing it.
deathbird@mander.xyz â¨19⊠â¨hours⊠ago
One of the things that makes a staged video less troubling is that the staging itself always comes with tells. Camera angles, cuts, framing, and of course actual staging.
AI videos can have that too, but they arenât the inherent tells. AI tells are unnatural: bodies that shift in subtle ways, objects warped or searching outside the center of frame. Itâs not stuff that you look for because itâs not stuff that actually happens in nature, or even in human constructed CGI all that often. But it does add up to a sense of uncanny valley.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
âIâll take people shitting into my mouth over dogs. At least itâs real humans doing it.â
Safeguard@beehaw.org â¨20⊠â¨hours⊠ago
But thatâs the point for the AI owners. To get people to not care about the destruction of your brain, the world, our income, our art, etc.
At that point, when we stop pushing back, AI slop peddlers have won.
bisby@lemmy.world â¨19⊠â¨hours⊠ago
If someone were to say to you âwhy did the chicken cross the road?â You wouldnât demand that there is actually a chicken. You would accept it as a framework for a joke.
The same holds true for staged videos or AI or anything. Is the framework important to the point? A video claiming people can fly and using AI as proof⌠Thatâs problematic. A staged bit where it would still be funny if it was just told verbally by a standup comedian? Who cares how real it is, the realness was never the point, the concept of the situation was.
Almost all comedy movies are just long staged bits.
And âhow funny would this be if a standup comedian told this as a jokeâ vs âthe context of this potentially actually happening is very important to the underlying humor of itâ is a variable line for people. And thatâs ok. Unless someone is in danger (donât let someone jump off a cliff because ai said they can fly), other peopleâs lines donât really affect you
rektdeckard@lemmy.world â¨19⊠â¨hours⊠ago
When you sit down to watch a movie, you know it isnât real. When you watch media coverage of current events, you should not have to guess if it is or isnât.
bisby@lemmy.world â¨15⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I agree. But thatâs wrong because lying about current events is wrong. This is what I meant about framework. AI is a tool in that regard and not the problem. There is plenty of ârealâ journalism out there spreading lies too that I have problems with.
Iâm fortunate I guess that most of the AI slop I dismiss is things more akin to baby panda sneezing scares mom panda. Where it doesnât REALLY matter if itâs real because there are no consequences. Itâs either funny or itâs not.
IronBird@lemmy.world â¨10⊠â¨hours⊠ago
news has been lying to people long before AI
rektdeckard@lemmy.world â¨10⊠â¨hours⊠ago
So add fuel to the fire right?
hansolo@lemmy.today â¨13⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Itâs kind of a shame youâre getting down voted for this. Itâs a perfectly reasonable perspective, and makes sense.
xthexder@l.sw0.com â¨18⊠â¨hours⊠ago
If all we were seeing is the prompt used to generate the video, then there wouldnât be a problem. Human-written fiction is generally valuable.
Instead weâre getting single sentences masquerading as âa picture worth a 1000 wordsâ, or worse with video. Only 1% of that is actually the valuable part (the prompt), the rest is filler words and hallucinated slop.
A video or picture of reality is inherently more informative than any AI generation.deathbird@mander.xyz â¨19⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I feel like the photorealism is what makes it bad. When you notice itâs fake you feel lied to. If itâs a cartoon, or blatantly cartoonish, it doesnât.
piccolo@sh.itjust.works â¨15⊠â¨hours⊠ago
If the video is obvious a fake and overexaggerated, I dont mind AI videos. Its no different than the shitposts people made before. But its the click farming shit that really irks me.
sauerkrautsaul@lemmus.org â¨23⊠â¨hours⊠ago
thats actually pretty interesting.
Iâd be firmly on your side of that fence, the idea being its cute or cool cause it happened in real life. this is a recording of real life. if its a computer drawing using the severed and reconstituted husks of other things and did not happen, its just something completely different- would she watch a hand drawn cartoon of the same thing? Would she really?
Another possibly interesting way to tease it out, is say itâs a video of her close friend being given an award from a prestigious institution and she feels a sense of pride. Or, its a video from the same friend where her partner does something very sweet and poignant. In both cases, she then finds out that this never happened, its just a computer drawing her friend made of these non-events. Too different to draw out the reason while real vs fake matters? Possibly.
Say the video of a cat that can accurately work and excel spreadsheet. Does that one matter (spoiler, its REAL)
Hackworth@piefed.ca â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Usually when people share a post, itâs because the post evoked a reaction, and they want to share that with someone. Making the conversation about the provenance of the post truncates the exchange in an unsatisfying way. For a news story, propaganda, or the like, the source is important. For funny dog videos? Maybe the quality of the exchange is more important. A nice middle ground would be to react as if it were true, and then point out itâs probably AI. Videos are easier to spot, but the difference between an image thatâs obviously AI and one that looks real is like 10 min of work in Photoshop. So weâre often better off saving our faculties of discernment for the stuff that matters.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org â¨21⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Nah, screw that. I am disgusted by the way AI looks. Iâd rather people not send me anything than to send me slop.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works â¨6⊠â¨hours⊠ago
The monkey paw curls you only get photoshopped dick picks from now on.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world â¨11⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I predict youâll get your wish.
sauerkrautsaul@lemmus.org â¨10⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I disagree completely, but I mean your position makes sense.
hansolo@lemmy.today â¨20⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Yeah, thatâs what I was thinking as well, with the comparison to hand drawn animation. Honestly, Iâm not sure, but I expect that would not hit quite the same way. ClaymationâŚmaybe the same, actually. It might also be just no glasses scrolling and quick reactions without discernment.
Iâve explained how to recognize AI videos, and she knows how to ID most (I hope), and I have noticed that she shows me fewer AI clips now. Not none, but fewer. I think she knows I donât like them, and doesnât want me too be the killjoy.
I even made a clip in Sora of our cat doing stuff, as an olive branch. I think that sort of made the point you were making about the friend getting an award.
sauerkrautsaul@lemmus.org â¨19⊠â¨hours⊠ago
this is all very thoughtful, and it seems like your thinking on it is aligned quite closely to my own.
just to say, I think its understanding and kind of you to be hands off and respectful of what she enjoys. I find all gen AI slop disquieting, but if someone else really enjoys it with their eyes wide open, really who gives a shit, there are very real and serious things to worry about and someone liking an AI cat video or not prolly isnt one of them