I have one close friend that told me yesterday he was “one of those guys that voted for Trump and regrets it” I was so proud I could cry.
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foodandart@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
My Alex Jones listening co-worker claimed I had TDS. He was al big on Trump as the Epstein Files were gonna be rel3ased, the economy was going to have all the factories returned to America,food would be cheaper…
I just bit my tongue and said nothing.
Now, with his wife’s medical needs so severe that he’s got almost nothing left at the end of each month, he says to me “How come we can’t get an affordable medical system that covers everyone completely…” to which I said, “Well, we could have that and be like every other civilized nation on Earth, but that’s ‘socialim’ after all and we can’t have that… I mean isn’t that what your right wing radio says?”
He’s gotten awfully silent about lots of that stuff now and I mentioned Epstein files being not released and he lost his shit over it. I told him that there was no more “deep state” it was the State now, and is rght there in Washington DC and in your face. He is no longer disagreeing with that assessment.
I think that the reality of the situation is breaking through the Trump Delusion Syndrome a lot of these die-hards had and they are starting to see what really is going on and they’re pissed and silently fuming about it now.
My co-worker took the vinyl “1776” stickers with the tattered flag backgrounds off of his truck and lost all his Trump swag as well.
bizzle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
rainwall@piefed.social 1 month ago
The question is he going to do it again for the next charaltain that offers him mean, easy answers that just hurt everyone?
bizzle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Only time will tell, but deep down I think his mind is changed. We didn’t have any local elections with everyone else but I’d be surprised if he doesn’t vote blue next time.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 1 month ago
We even have fucking Marjorie Taylor Greene getting angry at Trump and blaming the shutdown on the Republicans.
If that doesn’t show anyone how common this type of thing has gotten…
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 month ago
People won’t see anything beyond their front door until pain comes knocking. They cannot even think to see things from another person’s view and hopefully have empathy or understanding. Fuck all of them.
Don’t talk shit until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, then you’ll be a mile away and they’ll have no shoes.
Aviandelight@mander.xyz 1 month ago
These people think that because they’re white and Trump is white that Trump is talking to them and not about them.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I think that the reality of the situation is breaking through the Trump Delusion Syndrome a lot of these die-hards had and they are starting to see what really is going on and they’re pissed and silently fuming about it now.
The fundamental problem with this logic is that anyone dumb enough to have fallen for this in the first place (and to vote for Trump again in 2024) is more than dumb enough to fall victim to all the nonsense of the next election. There’s no way this momentary glimmer of rationality will survive an election campaign, and the utterly broken epistemology of these people is no closer to being fixed.
yistdaj@pawb.social 1 month ago
If it’s anything like religious “Great Awakenings” that the US seems to go through every now and again (which I think it is), I think you’ll find the movement much smaller than it first was as people on the fringes peel away quietly with each disappointment. They didn’t lose anybody for years because they didn’t really get to be disappointed, but now they have their promised messiah back in power they’re struggling to make sense of it all. The core might double down after each disappointment until the leader dies, but each time they have to add a new layer of complexity to what they believe, and each time they will lose a few people, particularly people that find the least community and identity through the movement. People that won’t lose as much if they leave.
Where at the peak of some “Great Awakenings” the majority of people are part of the movement, by the end it’s sometimes just a small community of a few thousand members. There is never a single event that causes most people to leave, it’s gradual.
SARGE@startrek.website 1 month ago
On one hand, I have a coworker who clearly angrily scraped his trump stickers off the tailgate, and on the other, I have a coworker who straight up held a nazi salute with an audible “heil” when he started talking about his favorite band, Rammstein.
Now I don’t know anything about Rammstein and their political views in general, but I’ve known a few Germans in my time and they all held very strong (negative) views on the nazi regime.
Most coworkers have stopped talking about politics and such in general during breaks though.
ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Rammstein got so sick and tired of being called Nazis just because they make harsh music with German lyrics that they put out “Links 2 3 4” two decades ago to clear up that they lean socialist. And Till Lindemann himself has said repeatedly that they hate Nazis. And yet, people still associate them with it because they can’t think beyond “Scary German music = Nazi”.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Wild. Anyone can pull up Amerika and get a pretty good vibe for what the band stands for.
ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Yeah. That song even has the benefit of being in English, so you don’t need to find a translation as an English non-German speaker.
foodandart@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I LOVE Rammstein.
Watch their video Deutschland and you’ll get the gist very quickly of what they think of NAZIs and authoritarian, repressive governments in general.
They are absolutely off their tits.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
One down, 70 million to go.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
Sheesh, talk about kicking a man when he’s down, for the purpose of scoring political points.
foodandart@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
WRt the menical, it’s more about getting the person t the point of introspection about their choices of who to belive and follow the politics of.
MOST MAGA folks are in need of a single-payer since they don’t have good enough paying jobs to purchase insurance policies through their work (if it’s offered) that have deductibles and co-pays they can afford. The truth of the matter is that the country has let insurers themselves dictate the conversations around access and affordability - as if! - they and they alone have the answers.
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They only see anything when it affects them, and you have to remember at the core of his actual beliefs, past the bullshit he says so he can sound like a semi not piece of shit human, is that he wants to hurt marginalized people.
It backfired on him a little bit too much for his liking, but many more are completely fine paying a big sacrifice to that end.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Only seeing the light when it affects them directly. Classic.
foodandart@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Well, at least they ARE seeing it now.
At this point, you can work on them to bring it all into focus and the FIRST thing I always say is “you gotta get away from the billionaire controlled cable TV and social media sites…” then I point them to the vanilla news sites that have no editorializing, like AP and Reuters.
If they are open to it, I also point them to using Firefox and adding uBO. Given that sites like fb are now running rage-bait scam ads, the ad-blocking is critical.
A lot of the MAGA folks have been overwhelmed by the noise.