Comment on We don't use the word 'fascist' because we wish harm on anybody. We use it because words mean things.

• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If the situation were flipped, and Hitler was rising to power ~80 years after we had a massive war to take out MAGA fascists, then yeah I think people would refer to them as “MAGA”, at least at first.

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist, as I said it’s literally just the first 4 letters, a shorthand a nickname, American version for Republicans would be Repu/Repus.

    Lots of people I have seen that think it’s Nazi because the Sozialistische has the Zi, it’s nonsense, Nazional is how germans pronounce National, hence it’s shortened to Nazi.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist

      Ridiculously pedantic. Come on.

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      • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I mean, so was my first comment, not sure what you expected 😃

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      • monogram@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You are confusing National Socialism with Leftist-Nationalism

        The reason Hitler added Social to their party name was because it was political suicide not to, not because they where socialists.

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    • MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      IMO it’s more offensive to call MAGAs a Nazi. And I’m certainly looking for maximum effect. I couldn’t care less about the etymology of Nazi.

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    • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I call them Repubs at this point because they don’t want to say things like “Democratic politicians” opting instead for “Democrat politicians” because they’re worried democratic sounds too good.

      I think republican sounds too good. They don’t want a republic, they want a tyrant.

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      • Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So, tyrannist? Hmm that’s not catchy. Maybe just autocrat but that doesn’t contain the root of the word tyrannus. Best I got for ya.

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    • causepix@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How about nationalist?

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• Humana@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t live in America, and many people here actually do use MAGA or Trumpism to describe the local right wing people and parties because they are largely just copying America…

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.

  It’s semantics. The German and American fascists all pull from the same ideological and rhetorical playbook.

  Veneration of the national security state. Zealous religious orthodoxy. Obsession with loyalty oaths and ethnicity sorting. Reflexive xenophobia. Institutionalized quackery.

  It’s all the same shit. Same as Apartheid Africa. Same as Kuomanting China. Same as Pinochet’s Chile and Milei’s Argentina.

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• BussyCat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What do you call people who wear red and black swastikas and say heil Hitler while doing a salute typical of the Nazi party?

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  • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    assholes.

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Lazy and derivative

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  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Romans?

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• uniquethrowagay@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist though. The party wasn’t called Nazi, the members were.

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It was and is literally called the Nazi Party en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

    The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

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    • uniquethrowagay@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I am German. We don’t call it that. Nobody says Nazipartei, it’s NSDAP. Nazi Party is an English expression and has nothing to do with the etymology of the word Nazi.

      Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist. de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi (the english version of this article points to the ideology of nazism, the original is about the term. Use a translator if you’re interested.)

      It was coined in the 1920s and it’s not an American term. You call the party Nazi Party because it was the party of the nazis, not the other way around.

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      • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I stand correctef then

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• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Imagine gatekeeping nazis.

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